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 Post subject: Where to search for those hard to find gems?
PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2018 1:47 pm 
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I was greiviously wrong when I assumed Miss Helen Kane didn't record "Dangerouse Nan McGrew" a single from the movie of the same title. In fact in 1930 she did so Victor 22407.

This 78 seems very hard to find for sale, having only seen fished auctions from years past. But is there a place to seek out rare 78s or is it all luck?


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 Post subject: Re: Where to search for those hard to find gems?
PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2018 2:40 pm 
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You could try an auction site like Nauck's. Their currect auction is closing soon, but, alas no copy of that record is featured this go-round. There's not a lot of places, really. Luck is a big factor. Watch e-bay.

You could also place a WANTED ad in this forum's Yankee Trader section.


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 Post subject: Re: Where to search for those hard to find gems?
PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2018 5:48 pm 
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As a new collector information like this is great. Thank you!


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 Post subject: Re: Where to search for those hard to find gems?
PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2018 6:30 pm 
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Helen Kane's records, in general, are somewhat difficult to find because of their desirability to collectors... Usually, your best finds are in places you don't expect them. You might luck out on eBay, but other collectors are searching for these also, so there may be more competition. The Helen Kane records I have found have been totally by chance/luck... You might also search on eBay UK or eBay.de in Germany. Good luck with your search... if you really want one, don't place a "proxy bid" on eBay, just wait until the last 5 seconds and throw in your best offer...
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 Post subject: Re: Where to search for those hard to find gems?
PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2018 7:31 pm 
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Curt A wrote:
just wait until the last 5 seconds and throw in your best offer...


What is known as snipe bidding.

The largest bid will still win anyway, regardless of when it's entered. So if you really want something set a high (hidden) max bid on it.


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 Post subject: Re: Where to search for those hard to find gems?
PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2018 12:53 am 
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Wolfe wrote:
Curt A wrote:
just wait until the last 5 seconds and throw in your best offer...


What is known as snipe bidding.

The largest bid will still win anyway, regardless of when it's entered. So if you really want something set a high (hidden) max bid on it.


Unfortunately for us mortals, there are apps for sniping, which will automatically top the high bidder at the very last second (unless the bidder has set a limit on a maximum bid; in which case one has to set an initial bid beyond what other collectors would see as 'reasonable')... :(

Bill


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 Post subject: Re: Where to search for those hard to find gems?
PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2018 1:04 am 
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Lucius1958 wrote:
Wolfe wrote:
Curt A wrote:
just wait until the last 5 seconds and throw in your best offer...


What is known as snipe bidding.

The largest bid will still win anyway, regardless of when it's entered. So if you really want something set a high (hidden) max bid on it.


Unfortunately for us mortals, there are apps for sniping, which will automatically top the high bidder at the very last second (unless the bidder has set a limit on a maximum bid; in which case one has to set an initial bid beyond what other collectors would see as 'reasonable')... :(

Bill


No, they won't "automatically top". They can't, any more than any bid can "automatically top" any other bid. In the end, the highest bid still wins. ;)

I started using a sniping program because I got tired of being followed... in the eBay days when all user IDs were visible, other collectors knew I was a notorious record guy- and a bid from me would always start a feeding frenzy. I actually used to bid on common records just to watch the fun commence. :lol:

Now that bidder IDs are hidden, we have the shills driving up the price only to disappear or establish undeclared reserves. With my sniping tool, they never see me coming. ;)

However, I still get outbid on as many items as I win, so this legend that a snipe program is somehow some sort of an unfair advantage is just that.


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