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 Post subject: Re: VICTOR 10" (BAT WING) #19829 high number for an electric
PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2018 8:19 pm 
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Interesting.

I have seen U.S. batwing pressings of records recorded as late as 1926.
I have a copy of Rosa Ponselle singing two Tosti songs on Victor batwing 1164. They were recorded May 1926 and would have been released two or three months later. Incidentally, one of her best (and one of my favourite of hers) records.

Anybody know approximately when Victor began using the scroll label? ---and I'm referring to regular issues to the public--not special pressings, reissues, or editions, etc.

Steven


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 Post subject: Re: VICTOR 10" (BAT WING) #19829 high number for an electric
PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2018 8:21 pm 
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Shall I grab it?


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 Post subject: Re: VICTOR 10" (BAT WING) #19829 high number for an electric
PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2018 8:35 pm 
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The Collectors Guide To Victor Records says that the Scroll labels were 'announced' in October of 1926. The Orthophonic phonographs had been on sale since November 2, 1925, which was Victor Day.


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 Post subject: Re: VICTOR 10" (BAT WING) #19829 high number for an electric
PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2018 8:40 pm 
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Wolfe wrote:
For an electric batwing label ? Yes, I suppose so. Recorded in Sept. 1925. Wasn't it in autumn of '25 they went to the scroll label...


Correction, there, Wolfe. Autumn of '26. :roll:


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 Post subject: Re: VICTOR 10" (BAT WING) #19829 high number for an electric
PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2018 8:48 pm 
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Wolfe wrote:
Wolfe wrote:
For an electric batwing label ? Yes, I suppose so. Recorded in Sept. 1925. Wasn't it in autumn of '25 they went to the scroll label...


Correction, there, Wolfe. Autumn of '26. :roll:


Ah ok that makes perfect sense.
Thanks Wolfe :)

Steven


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 Post subject: Re: VICTOR 10" (BAT WING) #19829 high number for an electric
PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2018 10:04 pm 
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JAR wrote:
Comments ... rare? Collectable.




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Jerry


That label is very interesting for a few different reasons. First, a later circle non- commercial use label on a later pressing of an earlier issue is uncommon but not particularly rare, more rare in popular series discs than in the classical/ semi classical series since Victor kept pressing these from 1920s stampers as late as post WW2.

What intrigues me here, though, is the missing patent number on what appears to be a gold print label that says "For best results use Victor Needles".

I have never seen this combo before.

Sometime in mid 1941 Victor went from gold to a greenish then to silver print. A very short time later that one patent number disappeared leaving the space on the inner row of print along the bottom. At the same time, "Victor Needles" became "RCA Victor Needles".

The change was some time around 27500 or so.

I've seen green and silver print labels WITH the patent numbers all filled in. I've seen silver labels reference "Victor Needles". These have all been on recordings issued right after the color change.

What I have never seen before is "Victor Needles" with the missing patent date, and even more strange in the gold print... unless it just looks gold on my monitor. I've been collecting and paying attention to these details for almost 50 years now, too. This is almost like a U.S. Mint striking error.

This is an extremely rare record that shouldn't exist. Valuable? Likely not, but I bet you will look for years to find another one like it and maybe not succeed.

So do I win the record geek award yet? :)


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 Post subject: Re: VICTOR 10" (BAT WING) #19829 high number for an electric
PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2018 10:22 pm 
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Got my vote! ....


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 Post subject: Re: VICTOR 10" (BAT WING) #19829 high number for an electric
PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2018 10:44 pm 
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Incidentally, the last Batwing record was issued in 1962, if memory serves, but don't quote me exactly on the date.

Anyone know what it was?


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 Post subject: Re: VICTOR 10" (BAT WING) #19829 high number for an electric
PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2018 11:06 pm 
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And now for something completely different, another 20127.

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 Post subject: Re: VICTOR 10" (BAT WING) #19829 high number for an electric
PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2018 12:26 pm 
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The 'missing' patent number wasn't a printing error. They simply removed the number from the label copy when the patent had expired.


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