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 Post subject: #20432 Victor 78, 2 cuts each side?
PostPosted: Tue May 29, 2018 8:43 pm 
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I have a Victor #20432 78. 1927.

2 cuts each side, 20432A 1. Dance of Greeting. 2. Konderpolka.
20432B 1.I see You. 2. Carrousel.

When did they start putting 2 cuts on each side?

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 Post subject: Re: #20432 Victor 78, 2 cuts each side?
PostPosted: Tue May 29, 2018 9:02 pm 
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Not sure exactly when--but certainly during the acoustic era. I've seen batwing records with two or more bands per side--including recordings marketed for children or for instructional purposes..

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 Post subject: Re: #20432 Victor 78, 2 cuts each side?
PostPosted: Tue May 29, 2018 9:04 pm 
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To be pedantic, it's all technically one cut as they cannot pick up the recording head and drop back down mid-side. :) They still can't do that today.

As far as records that are banded, have 'cuts' separated by bands, I have an early Victor acoustical disc, which demonstates instruments of the orchestra. IIRC, it has multiple bands separating each instrument before it's announced. Also an acoustical Victor disc of little bits of childrens songs sung by a female singer, also banded. I think those are the earliest I know of.


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 Post subject: Re: #20432 Victor 78, 2 cuts each side?
PostPosted: Tue May 29, 2018 9:10 pm 
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Wolfe wrote:
To be pedantic, it's all technically one cut as they cannot pick up the recording head and drop back down mid-side. :) They still can't do that today.

As far as records that are banded, have 'cuts' separated by bands, I have an early Victor acoustical disc, which demonstates instruments of the orchestra. IIRC, it has multiple bands separating each instrument before it's announced. Also an acoustical Victor disc of little bits of childrens songs sung by a female singer, also banded. I think those are the earliest I know of.


Yes you are right--they are banded-- not separate cuts.
I also appreciate the tuning bands I've seen on several early classical/operatic European discs. That should have been done more often as it certainly makes establishing the correct playback speeds much easier!

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 Post subject: Re: #20432 Victor 78, 2 cuts each side?
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Or they could have much sooner established the practice of putting the timed length of the selection, e.g. 3:27, on the labels.


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 Post subject: Re: #20432 Victor 78, 2 cuts each side?
PostPosted: Tue May 29, 2018 9:33 pm 
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Wolfe wrote:
Or they could have much sooner established the practice of putting the timed length of the selection, e.g. 3:27, on the labels.


True that. Or even easier, listed the key in which it was recorded, like Melba's London G&T's.

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 Post subject: Re: #20432 Victor 78, 2 cuts each side?
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Wolfe wrote:
Or they could have much sooner established the practice of putting the timed length of the selection, e.g. 3:27, on the labels.


True that. Or even easier, listed the key in which it was recorded, like Melba's London G&T's.

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 Post subject: Re: #20432 Victor 78, 2 cuts each side?
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It certainly would have prevented the century-old debate regarding the proper playback speed of Patti's records--and those of De Lucia as well!

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 Post subject: Re: #20432 Victor 78, 2 cuts each side?
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JAR wrote:
I have a Victor #20432 78. 1927.

2 cuts each side, 20432A 1. Dance of Greeting. 2. Konderpolka.
20432B 1.I see You. 2. Carrousel.

When did they start putting 2 cuts on each side?

JAR


Sounds very much like an educational record- are they indicated as folk dances?


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 Post subject: Re: #20432 Victor 78, 2 cuts each side?
PostPosted: Thu May 31, 2018 3:11 am 
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Viva-voce wrote:
It certainly would have prevented the century-old debate regarding the proper playback speed of Patti's records--and those of De Lucia as well!

Steven


There are some acoustic records that have a tone played at the end by what sounds like a violin, to allow proper tuning for the trained ears. I have a couple of them, both German labels.


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