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Aeolian vocalion record

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Looking for a little info on a record. I can't find out much about these records but it seems that the 12000's are vertically cut. I have a #12083 - Arthur Fields - Your Boys On The Coal Pile Now. Is it a vertical cut record? Any links I can find for dates and other info?

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If you have the record, you should be able to tell by looking at it... The grooves appear finer and different than a standard 78, similar to a vertically cut Diamond Disc... Aeolian made both lateral and vertical cut records, but I don't know whether or not they fall into any number range.
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Can't tell by looking, the record has a lot of wear, not well taken care of. How much damage would I do if I played it on Victor?

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Probably not much damage, since you said it is worn anyway. If it is a vertical cut record and you try to play it with a steel needle, it won't... it will skate across the record.
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It tried to play, followed the grove and I could hear something, but it sounded very low and very bad.

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The vertical Vocalions could be like the early vertical Okeh's that were made to be played with a steel needle or sapphire ball. So, it may not skate, but you'll still get little to no sound with a lateral reproducer.

The Online Discography Project only picks up Vocalion at late 1919. I'm assuming that's the starts of the lateral records for them.

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I am going to guess it is a vertical cut record. I found something about it but not much. Thanks, I guess I'll hang on to the record, why I don't know...LOL

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You can tell the vertical cuts from the laterals by the label. The vertical label has a 1916 copyright date under the name and the gold scrolls are on a red-orange background. Later labels have the copyright date below the title box- there are variations in colors but in general the gold scrolls will be on a black background. There is also a dark blur on light blye label, but ut says LATERAL right on it, so that is easy to tell.

I don't think Aeolian used red shellac on their verticals.

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estott wrote:You can tell the vertical cuts from the laterals by the label. The vertical label has a 1916 copyright date under the name and the gold scrolls are on a red-orange background.
Thank you very much that describes my record in detail.

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VV XI wrote:
estott wrote:You can tell the vertical cuts from the laterals by the label. The vertical label has a 1916 copyright date under the name and the gold scrolls are on a red-orange background.
Thank you very much that describes my record in detail.
If you have a tone arm that can be turned so the soundbox faces front, Aeolian verticals play using a steel needle. Sound quality can be very good.

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