Pango Pango Maid, Comparison of the two True Tone Diaphragms

[larryh]

I made this record over as I was getting a feeling that the Edisonic Head using the later True Tone design was on some records causing a sort of overly reverberating sound. The second listing is that record. The first one is the old version in the Edisonic Head. Usually in the Standard head it simply gives it some boost to the sound, but oddly in the Edisonic is can be great or it can be a bit overbearing.

Original True Tone, Pango Pango Maid

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCwcpU-D4j4

Generally improved True Tone but seems a bit overbearing to me on this record and some of the others. I think the one above has a more solid and balanced sound. Perhaps I should have stayed with the original but given so many want things always louder the newer version became the standard to use. Now I am rethinking that. Anxious to hear what you think.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VI1ZbLFMLI0

Larry

[Wolfe]

Original True Tone for me.

The improved True Tone seems to lack some midrange presense while oddly at the same time excting the compressor on the video camera. Compressor artifacts are more evident on the second sample.

[larryh]

Sounds about like what I am hearing here as well, but what is the Compressor Artifact? Do you think the weight the Edisonic uses is causing something like that, I don't think I get that result on the standard head using it? But I may be not hearing it as well. The new camera setting is also no doubt bringing out things that the other setting condensed.

[marcapra]

I know what you mean by the Edisonic reproducer being over bearing on some records. I have a new, out of the box, Edisonic rep. that I bought a few years ago from Ron Dethlefson and it is very loud! Louder than my Edison C-2. And I was playing an acoustic record also, 52075 Miss Annabelle Lee/ When Erastus Plays His Old Kazoo, the Golden Gate Orch. Hey, speaking of When Erastus Plays his old Kazoo, isn't that the same tune as A Precious Little Thing Called Love? Marc.

I want a kazoo. Where can I get one? Janet Klein played for APS show dinner.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nzi6bMzwIoY


California Ramblers Edison DD 52075
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwJCf_fia8s

[larryh]

Marc,

Is the Ramblers played on your Edison or on a turn table. It is pretty hard to tell.

[Orchorsol]

I want a kazoo. Where can I get one? Janet Klein played for APS show dinner.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nzi6bMzwIoY

https://kazoos.com

[Wolfe]

Sounds about like what I am hearing here as well, but what is the Compressor Artifact? Do you think the weight the Edisonic uses is causing something like that, I don't think I get that result on the standard head using it? But I may be not hearing it as well. The new camera setting is also no doubt bringing out things that the other setting condensed.

The video camera has a limiter built in that causes the recording level not go over a certain point. I suppose the second repro is louder, so that is what I was referring to. No biggie.

[audiophile102]

I played both videos for a minute at a time switching back and forth so I could hear the differences. I placed my head between my computer speakers and listened carefully. My conclusion is that the Edisonic Head using the later True Tone design was a clear improvement. The clarity of the instruments benefited as did the camera volume setting. Just my opinion, but I play my Edison jazz records everyday. Oh, and I really wish I had a copy of Pango Pango Maid. Outstanding record.

[larryh]

Boy it is a hard call. I am probably suffering from burn out after doing so many videos. The second version does have a wider frequency range and now that I listen to it again I realize has a more 'airy" sound than the first one which is perhaps a little more solid but with a lower frequency output. This record may not have been the best choice for comparisons. Then too many of my records show some light wear which effects overall clarity. I really started wondering when I tried to do over the Chopin Piano selection. That is very vibrant from the start and a fan of piano records who follows my site pretty much, mentioned he wondered if the first version wasn't perhaps more successful than the later one. I could tell that the loud passages on the piano weren't coming though as well as I thought they should. Then I tired an opera duet and it seemed to show some high level distortion on the new one more so than the original. Possibly two things going on there, one is that with the camera set to compress the signal by 10% to the microphone would naturally reduce some the surface sound as well as defects. ( maybe I should try reducing the input to the microphone, as some said it may be "Peaking" and causing some problem on loud high notes). The higher out put of the later True Tone design might be overdriven by the heavier weight as well. I think I am back to square one, some things are better with one than the other. The "In a Monastery Garden" record exhibits the good features of the sound while the electric piano selection isn't exactly flattering to the record. Now you can see how I agonized over the sound development of the diaphragms in the first place. I normally listened to the secondary instruments as well as for any defects rather than being happy with something that simply played the music but not always realistically.

[marcapra]

Is the Ramblers played on your Edison or on a turn table. It is pretty hard to tell.

That is not my record, but a Youtube video by Jazzgirl. So I don't know how it was recorded. Marc.