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 Post subject: Veneer Repair tips needed
PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 9:49 am 
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I was just gifted a Victrola XIV, and I'm planning on using it to learn about restoring machines. I'm not really worried about preserving the original finish, since the machine is pretty much black after spending 25+ years in a damp basement. I am planning on trying my hand at a refinish.

Before I go any further, I wanted to get some advice regarding the veneer on the back of the cabinet, which has lifted quite a bit. Is it at all possible to repair/reglue the original veneer in this situation, or does it need to be replaced completely? There are no missing pieces of veneer, but it is warped enough that I'm not sure it can be flattened back to shape. I've never had to deal with an issue like this before, and didn't find much in a search through the forum. I'd be grateful for any tips you folks can offer!


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 Post subject: Re: Veneer Repair tips needed
PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 9:31 pm 
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Nathan,

Your secret weapon will be heat, glue, and lots and lots of clamps. My XIV was not messed up that badly but it was starting to get a peel going on the back, sides, and doors. You need to get some hide glue crystals from online--don't mess up like me and use wood glue. (Hide glue is reversible by heating.)

You're also going to want to re-glue the boards under the veneer, as they look to have come unglued. This is natural. Hide glue doesn't like heat or moisture. My XIV was almost to have a leg fall off--and me cranking it up was nearly the last nail in its coffin before I glued the wobbles out of it.

The Victor-Victrola page mentions flattening warped veneer with a steam iron. Your finish is pretty far gone anyway but still put a towel between it and the iron, to keep anything from sticking.

Hey fellow phono-freaks, let's give this guy a hand here--and if he's encountered a mess of all messes then let's tell where to find new veneer.


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 Post subject: Re: Veneer Repair tips needed
PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 6:22 pm 
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Thanks! You actually recommended exactly what I was thinking I would try. After all, there really isn't much left to lose in this case. At this point, it'll probably be a little while before I attempt anything. Once it finally stops snowing, I can pull this thing out to the garage and have far more space to work with.


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Nathan,

Your secret weapon will be heat, glue, and lots and lots of clamps. My XIV was not messed up that badly but it was starting to get a peel going on the back, sides, and doors. You need to get some hide glue crystals from online--don't mess up like me and use wood glue. (Hide glue is reversible by heating.)

You're also going to want to re-glue the boards under the veneer, as they look to have come unglued. This is natural. Hide glue doesn't like heat or moisture. My XIV was almost to have a leg fall off--and me cranking it up was nearly the last nail in its coffin before I glued the wobbles out of it.

The Victor-Victrola page mentions flattening warped veneer with a steam iron. Your finish is pretty far gone anyway but still put a towel between it and the iron, to keep anything from sticking.

Hey fellow phono-freaks, let's give this guy a hand here--and if he's encountered a mess of all messes then let's tell where to find new veneer.
- Nathan


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 Post subject: Re: Veneer Repair tips needed
PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 7:31 pm 
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Two secret weapons you need in your arsenal if you are going to do veneering work:

#1: https://www.veneersupplies.com/products ... -Glue.html

#2: https://www.veneersupplies.com/products ... ioner.html

Use #2 as directed and don't try to rush the process. It'll work just fine if you spray it under the veneer panel where it's lifted off.

Then inject your #1 up under there, let it dry, and using a steam iron on low with no steam, iron the top layer till it bonds.

I do complex veneering all the time in my "day job"... Mercedes Burl and Zebrano dash pieces. I have only used my big expensive vacuum press a handful of times since discovering this method about 10 years ago.


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 Post subject: Re: Veneer Repair tips needed
PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 8:18 pm 
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Thanks for that information, George... just what I was looking for...
"The phonograph† is not of any commercial value."
Thomas Alva Edison - Comment to his assistant, Samuel Insull.

"No one needs a Victrola XX, a Perfected Graphophone Type G, or whatever you call those noisy things."
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 Post subject: Re: Veneer Repair tips needed
PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 8:34 pm 
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I would recommend buying a copy of The Furniture Doctor by George Grotz. An excellent general reference for all kinds of furniture repairs. You can usually find a copy on ebay or Amazon for a few bucks.


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