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 Post subject: VV XI double spring barrel disassembly
PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2017 1:35 pm 
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Hello!
I'm in the process of attempting to take apart the double spring barrel on on victrola VV XI to get to the springs in order to repair. I was wondering if anyone could guide me through taking the barrels apart to get to the springs. Thank you in advance!


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 Post subject: Re: VV XI double spring barrel disassembly
PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2017 3:14 pm 
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The VV-XI was made for a long time and went through several different spring motors all of which were two spring motors. It would help us if you posted a photo of your motor. Congratulation on your XI. It has classic Victor Victrola good looks and quality.

Jerry Blais


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 Post subject: Re: VV XI double spring barrel disassembly
PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2017 3:29 pm 
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Jerry B. wrote:
The VV-XI was made for a long time and went through several different spring motors all of which were two spring motors. It would help us if you posted a photo of your motor. Congratulation on your XI. It has classic Victor Victrola good looks and quality.

Jerry Blais

Good thinking!
I'll do that when I get home from work tonight!
And thank you!!!


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 Post subject: Re: VV XI double spring barrel disassembly
PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2017 8:32 pm 
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Here's a photo of it!


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 Post subject: Re: VV XI double spring barrel disassembly
PostPosted: Sat Sep 23, 2017 3:11 pm 
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Wow, looks like somebody went overboard with the grease! Maybe that's the source of the problem? Are you sure that you have a broken spring?

If that machine were mine, the first thing I'd do (after making sure that the motor springs are completely run down!) would be to remove the motor/motor board and give the metal parts a thorough de-greasing! I'd wipe off all the surface gunk with shop rags, paper towels, etc. Then I'd place the motor/motor board over layers of old newspaper (to catch the messy drips) and spray all the metal parts with a degreaser such as CRC electronic tuner cleaner, carburetor cleaner, or similar solvent from the hardware or automotive store, avoiding getting solvent on the top (finished wood) surface of the motor board. I'd wipe the works down again, spray more degreaser, wipe again, and repeat as needed until the old gunk is removed. I'd then re-install the motor board, wind up the motor, and see how it runs. It may or may not need adjustment and re-oiling. If it does, I'd come back to the forum for more info, if needed.

What is the serial number of your XI (first three digits will do)?


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 Post subject: Re: VV XI double spring barrel disassembly
PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 9:03 pm 
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Henry wrote:
Wow, looks like somebody went overboard with the grease! Maybe that's the source of the problem? Are you sure that you have a broken spring?

If that machine were mine, the first thing I'd do (after making sure that the motor springs are completely run down!) would be to remove the motor/motor board and give the metal parts a thorough de-greasing! I'd wipe off all the surface gunk with shop rags, paper towels, etc. Then I'd place the motor/motor board over layers of old newspaper (to catch the messy drips) and spray all the metal parts with a degreaser such as CRC electronic tuner cleaner, carburetor cleaner, or similar solvent from the hardware or automotive store, avoiding getting solvent on the top (finished wood) surface of the motor board. I'd wipe the works down again, spray more degreaser, wipe again, and repeat as needed until the old gunk is removed. I'd then re-install the motor board, wind up the motor, and see how it runs. It may or may not need adjustment and re-oiling. If it does, I'd come back to the forum for more info, if needed.

What is the serial number of your XI (first three digits will do)?

Hello!
The first three numbers of the serial number is 210


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 Post subject: Re: VV XI double spring barrel disassembly
PostPosted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 10:17 am 
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Your XI with that serial 210*** will have a letter "G" suffix, like mine (370***G) does. Your machine dates from 1916. Mine (1917) was one of the very last of the "G" series, which ended at 378000. See http://www.victor-victrola.com/XI.htm. As for the particular style of motor in ours, I defer to the more knowledgeable members to provide help in accessing the springs. I'd sure try the CLA (clean-lube-adjust) approach before taking things apart, unless you're real sure the springs need replacing. However, if it's as gunked up inside the barrels as it is on the outside, the springs may need to be flushed with degreaser and re-lubed; that would require a tear-down, I assume. I've never done this myself, but instead sent the motor/motor board assembly out to a repair service for cleaning.

If you could de-grease just the governor assembly gearing and end bearings, in place, and make sure it runs freely, that might help, too!


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 Post subject: Re: VV XI double spring barrel disassembly
PostPosted: Thu Sep 28, 2017 7:15 am 
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Henry wrote:
Your XI with that serial 210*** will have a letter "G" suffix, like mine (370***G) does. Your machine dates from 1916. Mine (1917) was one of the very last of the "G" series, which ended at 378000. See http://www.victor-victrola.com/XI.htm. As for the particular style of motor in ours, I defer to the more knowledgeable members to provide help in accessing the springs. I'd sure try the CLA (clean-lube-adjust) approach before taking things apart, unless you're real sure the springs need replacing. However, if it's as gunked up inside the barrels as it is on the outside, the springs may need to be flushed with degreaser and re-lubed; that would require a tear-down, I assume. I've never done this myself, but instead sent the motor/motor board assembly out to a repair service for cleaning.

If you could de-grease just the governor assembly gearing and end bearings, in place, and make sure it runs freely, that might help, too!

I did know this! Thank you though!
It works, and works alright. It's just that the springs are sticking together due to needing new grease and what not. The springs clunk as they wind down. I'm planning on doing it myself, just wanted to know if anyone on here had done one before for some pointers! Just rebuilt the reproducer a few days ago. Pretty easy and straight forward.
Thanks again!


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 Post subject: Re: VV XI double spring barrel disassembly
PostPosted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 11:44 am 
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