For restoration - Maybe something to save ?
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Re: For restoration - Maybe something to save ?
Just collected it !! Will post photos of restoration in due course....
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Gramtastic wrote:Just collected it !! Will post photos of restoration in due course....
Brilliant ! Looking forward to seeing and hearing about the gramophone
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Re: For restoration - Maybe something to save ?
My first impressions are that this is a Swiss/German machine. When you have cleaned the motor you may find the logo of either Paillard or Thorens stamped on the base.
Interestingly the soundbox appears to be a British made Gilbert "Tone Reflector", well worth rebuilding. Now you need a horn!
Interestingly the soundbox appears to be a British made Gilbert "Tone Reflector", well worth rebuilding. Now you need a horn!
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Hi, I have now had a look at the machine and it is indeed a Thorens motor with the classic anchor trademark. This is a big machine, 16inch base, solid oak case, 12 inch turntable and a very hefty double spring motor, so I think it was a good one in its day ! Unfortunately the case is very dry with no finish left and all the metalwork is badly corroded but I think it is worth trying to save ! There is at least one broken mainspring and a missing governor spring to start with so it's going to be a fun job !!
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Gramtastic wrote:Hi, I have now had a look at the machine and it is indeed a Thorens motor with the classic anchor trademark. This is a big machine, 16inch base, solid oak case, 12 inch turntable and a very hefty double spring motor, so I think it was a good one in its day ! There is at least one broken mainspring and a missing governor spring to start with so it's going to be a fun job !!
Can't wait to see some photo's !
Is that a brake on the front left hand side ? I don't think I have seen one like that if it is ?
Very interested to see the anchor mark on the motor for example.
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Hi, will take photos and start work on it over the weekend (this annoying thing called "work" gets in the way of playing with gramophones !!)
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Ha! Looking forward to your findings and photo's !Gramtastic wrote:Hi, will take photos and start work on it over the weekend (this annoying thing called "work" gets in the way of playing with gramophones !!)
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Ok, made a start. This is quite weird as the wood is incredible dry with no trace of original finish but all the metalwork is very badly corroded as if it has been damp for many years - not seen this before ! The case should restore reasonably well with a lot of work but the backbracket and arm are so deeply pitted I may just have to sand and fill the worst of it and paint in aluminium paint as they are too bad to plate.
After about an hour of struggling, managed to remove the remains of the Gilbert soundbox which had almost welded itself to the inside of the tone arm. A further half an hour of fighting saw the turntable come off but not until I had removed the base of the motor in the case so I could tap the spindle out of it without damaging the governor or the spindle ! First piece of luck - the missing governor weight was in the bottom of the case so was able to replace the spring and use the original weight !
Tomorrow I may face what lies inside the spring barrels - hopefully only one is broken....
After about an hour of struggling, managed to remove the remains of the Gilbert soundbox which had almost welded itself to the inside of the tone arm. A further half an hour of fighting saw the turntable come off but not until I had removed the base of the motor in the case so I could tap the spindle out of it without damaging the governor or the spindle ! First piece of luck - the missing governor weight was in the bottom of the case so was able to replace the spring and use the original weight !
Tomorrow I may face what lies inside the spring barrels - hopefully only one is broken....
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Update: Opened spring barrels to find both springs ok... This one uses a hooked piece of metal on the main shaft and as often happens they wear smooth and won't engage with the spring anymore. Replaced it with a bolt and works well ! The motor is very well made as the gear wheels are nickel placed which is unusual.... The turntable has CLUS 300 cast unit the underside - does this mean anything to anyone ??
Now for the case - need to join the two parts of the motor board,insert a piece of oak in the gap at the base,sand it all, stain and shellac then it will be re-assembly time !
Now for the case - need to join the two parts of the motor board,insert a piece of oak in the gap at the base,sand it all, stain and shellac then it will be re-assembly time !