Unknwn horn--seems Continental

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Unknwn horn--seems Continental

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Reminds me of some Columbia horns, which I think were either inspired by or were made on the Continent. But this one does not have a threaded end as Columbia horns do. The locking mechanism is reminiscent of a Victor horn, but I don't think this is a Victor horn either. So there's my question: does anyone recognize this horn and know what machine used it? It's about 32 cm at the widest point.
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I have right now 3 horn gramophones with this kind of horn, and the same locking. I have come to understand it is a typical Swizz/German horn, and this horn is often found in my area in all kind of colors, so yes...Continental Europe.
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Indeed a continental horn suitable for a variety of manufacturers. Your orange horn is perhaps a little more unusual as its pattern varies from the other 2 and is quite small. The Victor/Gramo elbow fitting has the tightening slot on the elbow and the locating peg on the horn. On the continental fitting it is the other way round.

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The bright color alone suggested a Continental origin. And yes, Jamie, you are right. The locking mechanisms for the Victor and this horn are reversed to each other.

Thank you, both of you.

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I've heard these referred to as peacock horns, due to the decoration pressed in the metal around the edge.
They were originally done in a shaded effect using 2 colours, so I doubt the orange paintwork is original.
I believe they are actually German, but many dealers sold them as an aftermarket horn on various machines because they were quite decorative compared to most of horns

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Yes this design is known as the Peacock Feather pattern. Here is mine with the original shading to the interior :
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A bit worse for the wear but here's a picture. Paint seems original.
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I've never seen one of these horns painted like yours before, but just because I've never seen one doesn't mean it's not original.
It doesn't appear to be a respray far as I can tell, and it's certainly in good enough condition to preserve.
If it were mine, I doubt I'd do anymore that give it a wipe down with a damp cloth, then once dry I'd probably give it a wax with a good quality car wax.

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jboger wrote: Fri Apr 23, 2021 12:43 pm A bit worse for the wear but here's a picture. Paint seems original.
Over the years I've had several horns with this exact same pattern , in various paint colours. As has been mentioned , they are of a slightly smaller size than were often used on horn gramophones. Although we tend to think of these stamped steel horns as being of continental origin , as probably this one is , it must also be borne in mind that there were manufacturers of horns also in the UK , one particular company advertised extensively in the trade press around 1910 or so , Gilbert's of Sheffield who produced horns in several styles, so it must must not be always imagined that stamped steel horns are of continental origins. Gilbert's was of course just one firm , no doubt there were others, Sheffield being a steel manufacturing region , famous of course for its cutlery and flatware in years past. Dulcetto

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