French Ideal Machine Discography / Machine Listing

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French Ideal Machine Discography / Machine Listing

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I am looking for specific details (serial no, other markings, shapes, sizes) for the French Ideal Machine.

The earliest Ideals were actually called the "Lamaziere No. 2" after its creator, Louis Lamaziere.
A similar, earlier edition was identified as the Zenith.
Post Zenith you would have the Ideal No. 2, then the No. 3 and then No. 4 (which is a mixed disc/cylinder machine).
A good portion of the 2's and most 3's were sold in connection to or by Bonne Presse.

The Ideal changed significantly throughout its production in early 1900.
A good portion of the machines have a significant item that is not on other machines.
Unlike Edison, Columbia and Pathé, whose models were both mass produced and generally standardized,
the Ideal's appear to have been made in batches and have variances between themselves.

I would like to see if anyone here in the forum has one and would be willing to complete a short questionnaire and submit some photos for my research.

I have attached some photos of the early Zenith and the Ideal No. 2.

Thanks, Ben
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I cannot help with specific details, but "The Illustrated History of Phonographs" by Daniel Marty illustrates and describes two models from Ideal-Phonographe. One is said to date from 1900 and the other from 1902.

It seems that the Ideal's main feature of interest was a moveable mandrel which allowed cylinders of all diameters to be played by placing them at varying distances from the reproducer.

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Lovely phonographs. Can we have some more pictures of the reproducer and the weight accessory.
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chunnybh wrote:Lovely phonographs. Can we have some more pictures of the reproducer and the weight accessory.
Thanks
The proper reproducer is the Le Cahit. Here are photos of the Styx concert reproducer, which for all purposes is the same. A lead piece (not pictured) can be added to the base for additional weight.

The machines are well built with superior materials. Same workshop that built Bettini parts and pieces. Almost every piece is nickel plated or brass.
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Love the Le Styx reproducer, sure is a beauty. Also that's a nice Pink Lambert Concert Cylinder and sure looks familiar and the machines are stunning.

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rgordon939 wrote:Love the Le Styx reproducer, sure is a beauty. Also that's a nice Pink Lambert Concert Cylinder and sure looks familiar and the machines are stunning.

Rich Gordon
Thanks Rich, yes, that is your pink concert!

Here are a few photos of another, with the all important crank (usually missing) and all important concert mandrel, also missing more than not.
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