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 Post subject: Unknown phrynis model in close to « junk » condition....
PostPosted: Mon Feb 10, 2020 3:49 pm 
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Victor I
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Just found out this Phrynis gramophone in really bad condition but wich model is it?
Could someone help?
As well, should it be restored or considered as parts?
By the way, the worns loved it!
Thanks,
Jeff


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 Post subject: Re: Unknown phrynis model in close to « junk » condition....
PostPosted: Mon Feb 10, 2020 7:02 pm 
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I've got both kinds of music--classical & rag-time.
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Boy the woodworm had a field day with that thing!

If you can find a Phyrnis horn & all that, it would be beautiful restored. Phyrnis had a very special sort of horn & it might be hard to find one. I'd restore it if I thought I could find a tone arm and the other parts--they have a striking decal on them and are real lookers in general.

Good luck! At least the motor is not rusted.


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 Post subject: Re: Unknown phrynis model in close to « junk » condition....
PostPosted: Tue Feb 11, 2020 4:34 am 
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I think it depends on just how bad the worm damage is.

If the timbers been honeycombed enough that you can push your finger through it, then I'd consider it as a parts donor, but if the cabinets still basically sound, then it's definitely worth restoring.
They're just too scarce to part out for the sake of some worm damage.
Finding a replacement cabinet will be next to impossible, so provided any further worm damage is halted, I'd be content with a few holes knowing this could be one of very few remaining examples of this particular model left.
The other parts wont be an easy find, but with time and patience they'll turn up.


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 Post subject: Re: Unknown phrynis model in close to « junk » condition....
PostPosted: Tue Feb 11, 2020 7:51 am 
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You can buy wood hardeners , which soak into the wood and go really hard , they work really well on woodworm damage even "gluing" the woodworm sawdust back together :) and the wood can the be refinished with the surface holes filled in


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 Post subject: Re: Unknown phrynis model in close to « junk » condition....
PostPosted: Tue Feb 11, 2020 8:48 am 
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Keep'em well oiled
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I vote for restoring. It's too beautiful to be scrapped.
Inigo


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 Post subject: Re: Unknown phrynis model in close to « junk » condition....
PostPosted: Tue Feb 11, 2020 10:09 am 
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soundgen wrote:
You can buy wood hardeners , which soak into the wood and go really hard , they work really well on woodworm damage even "gluing" the woodworm sawdust back together :) and the wood can the be refinished with the surface holes filled in

Well, I tried wood hardener for other projects but never really succeeded to get the same color than the original wood...
At first, I will kill the worns and clean the case to have a better view on the overall condition.


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 Post subject: Re: Unknown phrynis model in close to « junk » condition....
PostPosted: Wed Feb 12, 2020 12:27 am 
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I've got both kinds of music--classical & rag-time.
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Good luck on the rescue attempts!


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 Post subject: Re: Unknown phrynis model in close to « junk » condition....
PostPosted: Thu Feb 13, 2020 7:56 am 
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This model differs from the more common Phrynis as its motor does not have the lever speed control on the side of the machine, near the winder, and it does not have the colorful decal with the flags. The brake is also different from the one I have.

It will not be easy to find the arm: mine has a stepped arm (two different diameters). Phrynis soundboxes show up for sale once in a while, but beware that there are different sizes, and they are not interchangeable. You can find Phrynis horns, there was one on French ebay last week, however it is a conventionally-shaped horn. The oblong Alice in the Wonderland model that everyone associates with this brand is quite scarce.

I bought a Phrynis years ago mainly for its horn, and it's still an eye-catcher in my collection. I never play it, though, soundwise it is a pretty mediocre machine.

I will refrain from recommending keep-it or trash-it, but most likely it will be something of a lottery to find the missing parts, and will cost you more than the price of a complete machine, which does not come up for sale frequently, neither.


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 Post subject: Re: Unknown phrynis model in close to « junk » condition....
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Well, for sure renovating this machine will be a long and maybe expensive project !
Carlos, could you post a pic showing the brake and lever speed control of your machine ? I'm lucky enough having two complete Phrynis units and their brake and lever speed control hardware are identical to the ones of my « junk » machine and at the same place.
By the way, does someone have a pic of a hill and dale Phrynis arm as I have the Phrynis adaptor  for needle records?


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 Post subject: Re: Unknown phrynis model in close to « junk » condition....
PostPosted: Thu Feb 13, 2020 3:42 pm 
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phonodesbois wrote:
Carlos, could you post a pic showing the brake and lever speed control of your machine ?

Here they are:


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