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 Post subject: Mahogany or Walnut - or both ?
PostPosted: Wed Feb 12, 2020 5:31 pm 
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Please let me know if you think that this floor standing gramophone is made from Mahogany or Walnut - or maybe bits of both.

I thought it was mahogany but the lighter pattern on the doors seems to indicate Walnut ?

Thanks for any advice / guidance / opinions about this.


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 Post subject: Re: Mahogany or Walnut - or both ?
PostPosted: Wed Feb 12, 2020 9:16 pm 
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It does not look at all like mahogany to me.


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 Post subject: Re: Mahogany or Walnut - or both ?
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It looks like a faux painted cabinet to me... fantasy wood...
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 Post subject: Re: Mahogany or Walnut - or both ?
PostPosted: Wed Feb 12, 2020 10:25 pm 
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Curt A wrote:
It looks like a faux painted cabinet to me... fantasy wood...

Curt beat me to it. That's what I was thinking. It doesn't look natural.
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 Post subject: Re: Mahogany or Walnut - or both ?
PostPosted: Thu Feb 13, 2020 2:26 am 
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It's hard to tell if the bare patches are missing paint or lacquer but if it's just the lacquer gone and the grain continues in those spots then it's could be a particular cut of burr Walnut. If the bare patches are just straight close grained timber then it's faux painted Walnut.
Either way, it can be fixed so I wouldn't go stripping it if it's only paint.
I think you'll find it is Walnut though as it was often used on art deco furniture, and faux finishes were pretty much out of Vogue by then.
To my eyes it appears to have book matched veneers on the doors.

The are a few veneers that were used in the art deco period that look very similar.
One was camphor laural but there are a few others.
If you check examples and advertising of HMV radiogram and upright (console) radios of the era you might narrow down exactly what timber veneer variety it is.
The piano manufacturers Beale of Australia were the biggest exporters of timber veneers in the world during the 30s and 40s so there's a good chance if it's not English burr walnut then it's likely an Australian timber.
They were used extensively by companies like HMV in UK and Philco and many others in USA


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 Post subject: Re: Mahogany or Walnut - or both ?
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gramophoneshane wrote:
It's hard to tell if the bare patches are missing paint or lacquer but if it's just the lacquer gone and the grain continues in those spots then it's could be a particular cut of burr Walnut. If the bare patches are just straight close grained timber then it's faux painted Walnut.
Either way, it can be fixed so I wouldn't go stripping it if it's only paint.
I think you'll find it is Walnut though as it was often used on art deco furniture, and faux finishes were pretty much out of Vogue by then.
To my eyes it appears to have book matched veneers on the doors.

The are a few veneers that were used in the art deco period that look very similar.
One was camphor laural but there are a few others.
If you check examples and advertising of HMV radiogram and upright (console) radios of the era you might narrow down exactly what timber veneer variety it is.
The piano manufacturers Beale of Australia were the biggest exporters of timber veneers in the world during the 30s and 40s so there's a good chance if it's not English burr walnut then it's likely an Australian timber.
They were used extensively by companies like HMV in UK and Philco and many others in USA


Thank you VERY much gramophoneshane.

Here is a closer photo of the area you mentioned - does this indicate it is indeed 'faux painted' wood I wonder ? Showing 'straight, close grained timber' where it is worn ?


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 Post subject: Re: Mahogany or Walnut - or both ?
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Thank you very much to Daithi, Curt A and AZ* for their advice too. Really appreciated.
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 Post subject: Re: Mahogany or Walnut - or both ?
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No, it really looks like timber veneer to me. I think if you wiped the area down with a cloth dampened with water, method or lacquer thinners, you'll see the grain and colour continue through in the dry spots. Those big cracks continuing from the finished through the unfinished spots are a pretty good indication isn't not a faux finish.


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 Post subject: Re: Mahogany or Walnut - or both ?
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gramophoneshane wrote:
No, it really looks like timber veneer to me. I think if you wiped the area down with a cloth dampened with water, method or lacquer thinners, you'll see the grain and colour continue through in the dry spots. Those big cracks continuing from the finished through the unfinished spots are a pretty good indication isn't not a faux finish.



Thank you very much. I really appreciate your advice / opinion and am pleased to know that the front 'doors' are walnut vaneer.
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