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 Post subject: The Gramophone Company Ltd. Machine
PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2020 1:43 pm 
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I have this HMV machine in my collection. The decal is different than any other I have seen.
Can anyone explain to me why?
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Enrico


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 Post subject: Re: The Gramophone Company Ltd. Machine
PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2020 1:54 pm 
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I needed check with the "His Master's Gramophone" book,since this decal also was new to me. According to the book, the decal is named "Royal Warrant" and was introduced in 1909, an attractive "Art Nouveau" influenced design that is particularly associated with the Pigmy Grand.
Thank you for showing your interesting gramophone, and I guess it is a good chance our HMV experts will also add to the information.


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 Post subject: Re: The Gramophone Company Ltd. Machine
PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2020 1:57 pm 
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nostalgia wrote:
I needed check with the "His Master's Gramophone" book,since this decal also was new to me. According to the book, the decal is named "Royal Warrant" and was introduced in 1909, an attractive "Art Nouveau" influenced design that is particularly associated with the Pigmy Grand.
Thank you for showing your interesting gramophone, and I guess it is a good chance our HMV experts will also add to the information.


Thank you very much!! Grazie mille!


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 Post subject: Re: The Gramophone Company Ltd. Machine
PostPosted: Mon Jun 01, 2020 1:28 pm 
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The Royal Warrant does indeed date this machine to around 1909. I believe your machine is an early 'Intermediate Monarch' and that corresponds with the date of the warrant. I have not seen the warrant on such a machine before, as said, it is mostly seen on the Pygmy Grand but I have seen it on the back of a Mahogany Senior Monarch.

The plug-in elbow shown with horn locating slot at the top of the elbow (rather than the underside) is later than the machine.


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 Post subject: Re: The Gramophone Company Ltd. Machine
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jamiegramo wrote:
The Royal Warrant does indeed date this machine to around 1909. I believe your machine is an early 'Intermediate Monarch' and that corresponds with the date of the warrant. I have not seen the warrant on such a machine before, as said, it is mostly seen on the Pygmy Grand but I have seen it on the back of a Mahogany Senior Monarch.

The plug-in elbow shown with horn locating slot at the top of the elbow (rather than the underside) is later than the machine.


Thanks for your reply and for the information!
Would the right arm be the one mounted on the machine in the photo?


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 Post subject: Re: The Gramophone Company Ltd. Machine
PostPosted: Wed Jun 03, 2020 5:56 am 
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Yes I think the bracket shown in the picture (with flange fitting elbow) may be more correct for a machine of 1909. Although the bracket you have with plug-in elbow may only be slightly later and still feasible. The location of the horn fixing slot, however, dates the horn elbow you have to much later.

I wonder if any US forum members know when Victor introduced the rear mount bracket with 'plug-in' elbow in the USA? In Britain it seems to have appeared about 1910-11. I may repost this question in 'machines'. :)


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 Post subject: Re: The Gramophone Company Ltd. Machine
PostPosted: Fri Jun 05, 2020 3:17 pm 
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jamiegramo wrote:
Yes I think the bracket shown in the picture (with flange fitting elbow) may be more correct for a machine of 1909. Although the bracket you have with plug-in elbow may only be slightly later and still feasible. The location of the horn fixing slot, however, dates the horn elbow you have to much later.

I wonder if any US forum members know when Victor introduced the rear mount bracket with 'plug-in' elbow in the USA? In Britain it seems to have appeared about 1910-11. I may repost this question in 'machines'. :)


Got it! Thank you Jamie!


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