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Bonhams will auction a highly interesting painting on Oct. 13th (lot 101)!!!

link: https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/25996/lot/101/

I noticed that it says "After Francis James Barraud (British, 1856-1924): His Master's Voice" I take it this means that another artist, not Barraud, made this copy? I know that in the art world, "after" means that the object is a copy of the original artist's work.

OrthoFan

OrthoFan wrote:I noticed that it says "After Francis James Barraud (British, 1856-1924): His Master's Voice" I take it this means that another artist, not Barraud, made this copy? I know that in the art world, "after" means that the object is a copy of the original artist's work.

OrthoFan

HMV had many paintings made after Barraud died many artists and many paintings where they are still known to be can be seen in this book

https://www.abebooks.co.uk/servlet/Book ... 1-_-title1

soundgen wrote:

OrthoFan wrote:I noticed that it says "After Francis James Barraud (British, 1856-1924): His Master's Voice" I take it this means that another artist, not Barraud, made this copy? I know that in the art world, "after" means that the object is a copy of the original artist's work.

OrthoFan

HMV had many paintings made after Barraud died many artists and many paintings where they are still known to be can be seen in this book

https://www.abebooks.co.uk/servlet/Book ... 1-_-title1

Many thanks. Seeing the asking price for a copy, painted by an unknown artist, I'm wondering what an original would go for.

OrthoFan

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OrthoFan wrote:I noticed that it says "After Francis James Barraud (British, 1856-1924): His Master's Voice" I take it this means that another artist, not Barraud, made this copy? I know that in the art world, "after" means that the object is a copy of the original artist's work.

OrthoFan

Good question. The listing also says "1920s", which could have put it within Barraud's lifetime. Did he sign all his copies? Would brushstroke analysis, compared with the original, or an authenticated copy, help to confirm or deny an attribution?

- Bill

Lucius1958 wrote:

OrthoFan wrote:I noticed that it says "After Francis James Barraud (British, 1856-1924): His Master's Voice" I take it this means that another artist, not Barraud, made this copy? I know that in the art world, "after" means that the object is a copy of the original artist's work.

OrthoFan

Good question. The listing also says "1920s", which could have put it within Barraud's lifetime. Did he sign all his copies? Would brushstroke analysis, compared with the original, or an authenticated copy, help to confirm or deny an attribution?

- Bill

I think the whereabouts of all the Barraud paintings are known

"Provenance:
This example was given to the vendor's father who was the Manager of HMV London in the 1960's.

Francis Barraud produced 24 copies of the original painting between 1913 and 1924, commissioned by The Gramophone Company of which 17 of them were sent to The Victor Company in the USA."

The statement of provenance does not state who gave the picture to the vendor's father. If it stated specifically that it was given by the Gramophone Company, that would indicate prior ownership and, perhaps, some Company connection with the artist, whoever that might be, should it have been commissioned.

The second statement about Barruad's production is misleading; since the auction house did not "attribute" the picture to Barraud, the number of copies painted by Barraud is irrelevant.

Given the ambiguity of its origin, I have no idea how they priced it. Certainly a fine picture can stand on its own merit, but the buyer is making his own market, perhaps never to be met again.

For posterity: AFTER FRANCIS JAMES BARRAUD (BRITISH, 1856-1924): HIS MASTER'S VOICE,1920's,
oil on canvas, featuring the well-known image of a dog and a gramophone, framed, 28in x 36in (71cm x 91.5cm)
Provenance:
This example was given to the vendor's father who was the Manager of HMV London in the 1960's.
Francis Barraud produced 24 copies of the original painting between 1913 and 1924, commissioned by The Gramophone Company of which 17 of them were sent to The Victor Company in the USA.