Tournaphone

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Tournaphone

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Hi, Just bought a "Baby Tournaphone". Can't find anything about the company online. Brian Jewell's book "Veteran Talking Machines" just refers t it being a German Company and dates the Baby to 1906. Anyone have any more info about them ? Thanks
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It seems the first Gramófono I ever had... It was self made, in a similar fashion, but using a small cardboard horn. My base was the old family record player, whose case was made of wood. I attached a horn support to the case edge et voilà!!
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Tournaphone was one of several brand names applied to gramophones supplied by The J.G. Murdoch Company of 59-61 Clerkenwell Road, London E.C.1, one of the largest firms in the trade. Other Murdoch brands included Beltona and Excelsior.

Some surviving Tournaphones have been identified as German imports made by Symphonion of Leipzig.

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My belief is that Tournaphone is a Thorens product?

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Sidewinder wrote: Tue Feb 23, 2021 7:37 pm My belief is that Tournaphone is a Thorens product?
I agree. It looks like a rebadged Bijou model variation.
Well not really rebadged because Thorens rarely put their own name on machines.

If I remember correctly, years ago someone posted a thread here on the forum, asking to identify theirs, and I'm pretty sure it too was a key through the turntable wind Bijou.
Perhaps the motor carries the Thorens name or anchor trademark?

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Based on its condition, it must have been neatly stashed away. It has to be rather rare. Congratulations on your exquisite find!

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Using the search function, it seems the machine I was thinking about was actually a side key wind Bijou.

I did find a top key wind in another thread showing the machine pictured below.
It however has a different style crane/travelling arm.
I've attempted to copy the link to the thread where these pictures appear, so I hope it works. There are more pictures and manufacturer info too
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Perhaps if gramtastic could remove the cabinets base board and could post a picture of the motor, it might help identify the manufacturer?
The cabinet dimensions may too.

I'm still leaning heavily towards Thorens
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Thanks for all the information. I thought it looked like a Thorens item and attach a picture of it next to my Thorens Helvetia. The case is the same size and has the same wood grained finish. The Thorens is a much more substantial machine though, with a heavy cast horn support and a good solid winding handle. The horns and elbows are different. The way the horn support attaches to the horn is the same though. So.... some similarities and some differences. The motor in the Tournaphone is tiny and more like a small clock mechanism (it has no markings at all) while from memory, the Thorens one is more substantial... Does this help or confuse the issue further ?? (I can remove the bases and photograph the motors if it helps)
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I suppose without motor pictures it's impossible to say if they'll help or not in identifying a maker.
Even if they don't help, at least they'll be here for future reference

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