Viva-Tonal 113a Handle...Mission Impossible?

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Re: Viva-Tonal 113a Handle...Mission Impossible?

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Last year I bought a similar replacement crank for my 113a, but it resulted to be one of the british Decca winding handles, which look the same but are not equal. My acquired one doesn't fit in the extension. So be careful!
The later Columbia 201/202 had similar winding cranks, but I don't know if they will match the 113a motor or the extension rod. Do you still have the extension rod?

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JerryVan wrote: Fri Apr 02, 2021 7:31 am If it's truly a standard crank, as Barry states, just get a standard one and have it brass plated.
The handle pictured is from one of two machines. The other one has the original handle which has not been re-plated, and shows that they are not brass, but steel with a very thin brass coating.

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Inigo wrote: Fri Apr 02, 2021 9:54 am Last year I bought a similar replacement crank for my 113a, but it resulted to be one of the british Decca winding handles, which look the same but are not equal. My acquired one doesn't fit in the extension. So be careful!
The later Columbia 201/202 had similar winding cranks, but I don't know if they will match the 113a motor or the extension rod. Do you still have the extension rod?
The 113A is a USA produced machine is it not ? was it sold in the UK / Europe by Columbia or are they imports ? UK Columbia machines all used Garrard made Columbia motors didn't they ? So I presume the threads will be different ? Does anyone have the dimensions of the 113A handle ?

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The 113a was based upon the American 160 series portables, but was British made with a double spring Garrard motor.
Here is the 1929 UK Columbia catalogue page :
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Yes, the 113A handle is brass-plated steel, not solid brass. But these Columbia folding handles do not come in a 'standard' size. There are slight differences, and the wrong one will not fold into the slot for the knob. I do not have a 113A for inspection, but I attach photos of the winder of a 113, which is likely to be the same size, and, just for a cross-check, of the distance between the two holes in the 113 cabinet. The two sizes are shown in millimetres (55 and 60 mm), but for those (like me) whose brain works better in English, these are 2 3/16 and 2 ⅜ in. respectively.
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this winder looks like it may be OK , I'll check out some more when I go back to my workshop next wee k !
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Although it's astonishing how many different types there are when you start looking !
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soundgen wrote: Mon Apr 05, 2021 12:38 pm Although it's astonishing how many different types there are when you start looking !
The one on the far right is not a Columbia, it's for a Decca.

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Phono48 wrote: Mon Apr 05, 2021 1:32 pm
soundgen wrote: Mon Apr 05, 2021 12:38 pm Although it's astonishing how many different types there are when you start looking !
The one on the far right is not a Columbia, it's for a Decca.

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Re: Viva-Tonal 113a Handle...Mission Impossible?

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soundgen wrote: Mon Apr 05, 2021 12:35 pm this winder looks like it may be OK , I'll check out some more when I go back to my workshop next wee k !
Hello!
That one looks the one I am looking for.
It is being quite difficult to find one.
Are you selling it Soundgen?
I do not have the extension but I have a Myford lathe to make it.

Here is my 113a holes measurement:
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Thank you to everyone trying to help

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