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I've always sold without shame reproduction horn gramophones in the 1980s to 2,000s ALWAYS AS REPRODUCTION ! I used to have 5 different types of wooden boxes made in India and sent here with complete assembly parts ( horns , back brackets , sandboxes , BUT no motors ) I used original portable motors in them and in the bases with an oval cut out used the portable logo fixed inside and showing to the front , others always had a 1930's gramophone transfer applied , i have never seen any of these resold , I'll try and find some pictures for you all , i even labelled them as genuine FRANKENPHONES as described by Christopher Proudfoot in Hill and Dale newsgramophoneshane wrote: ↑Mon Sep 06, 2021 1:11 amActually, no it does not.
It only shows those models made by HMV in England for the British market.
Not only does it not show HMV models that were made in France, Germany, Spain and other countries, but it does not show HMV models that were made in England for export only, like those sold in Australasia, and there was about 10 different models which went through 2-3 changes throughout production.
These where given names rather than number model designations. Some where existing British designs simply given a name, while others were completely different to what was sold in Britain.
There were models called Excello, Zealand, Bungalow, and a host of others, all legitimate machines made in Hayes Middlesex, but never sold in the country in which they were made.
Some were table grands and console models, but most were upright cabinet models, a couple of which even had a saxophone horn included during changes made during their production run.
You'll find one such model here in the archives.
The first "Bungalow" model had an exhibition soundbox, gooseneck tonearm and basic horn.
The second version was the "new Bungalow" (the one shown in the archives) had a no.4 soundbox, swan neck tonearm, and the same horn that was used in the 109 table model.
Most models simply had "new" added to their name when the soundbox and tonearm were changed, so the second version became for example, the "new Zealand" or " new Bungalow".
I also have an "Excello No.3", which is a hornless model 1 but with a no.2 soundbox.
They were never sold in England with anything but an exhibition soundbox.
So there are actually probably dozens of different HMV models that are completely legitimate but are not shown in HMG.
Check out again viewtopic.php?f=16&t=31878&p=189823&hil ... us#p189823 i sold Banus Banus hundreds of motors for his machines
I have bought a " Bungalow " in the past at Newark Antique fair , no HMV insignia just an ivorine " Bungalow" in the lid but clearly an HMV item , I sold it on very quickly and later told an HMV guru about it and the response was NO SUCH THING EXISTS , i have also had unusual flat topped HMV tabletops which were totally right but again dismissed by the Guru
I used to stand at the record fair in Croydon Fairfields Hall and on one occasion with six repros on show was approached by George Glastris ( Christie's ) " what an amazing display would you consider putting them into one our auctions "
