Lion-o-Phone ??

Gramtastic · Post by **Gramtastic** » Mon Sep 12, 2022 10:53 am

Hi, What does anyone make of this ? Obviously nothing to do with Victor and the wrong horn but a very interesting tone arm/back bracket set up. I know there are plenty of Leo Phone fakes out there but never seen a Lion o phone and the transfer looks to have some age to it ??

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/385111824438 ... R5z72KLmYA

soundgen · Post by **soundgen** » Mon Sep 12, 2022 11:44 am

Been on Ebay before same seller as the damaged EMG horn

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vintage-Vict ... true&rt=nc

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gramophoneshane · Post by **gramophoneshane** » Mon Sep 12, 2022 11:53 am

Gramtastic wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 10:53 am Obviously nothing to do with Victor and the wrong horn

Are you sure it's the wrong horn and if so, what horn should it have?

OrthoFan · Post by **OrthoFan** » Mon Sep 12, 2022 12:25 pm

The tonearm is interesting:

Too bad there's no taper.

OF

Post by **epigramophone** » Mon Sep 12, 2022 2:07 pm

The peacock feather pattern horn was widely used in Europe, especially on Swiss/German machines.
Two 90 degree angles on the tonearm do not bode well for sound quality, and it is difficult to see how it connects to the horn.
I suspect that it may be the work of an enthusiastic amateur.

Post by **Inigo** » Mon Sep 12, 2022 3:13 pm

These Swiss machines used to have a standard tonearm... I'm with you that this is a later patchwork...

Post by **Phono48** » Mon Sep 12, 2022 4:47 pm

Looking at the angle that the soundbox is to the record, I suspect the arm is the result of a few copper plumbing fittings and a fertile imagination! I could be horribly wrong, of course.......

Barry

soundgen · Post by **soundgen** » Tue Sep 13, 2022 10:11 am

epigramophone wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 2:07 pm The peacock feather pattern horn was widely used in Europe, especially on Swiss/German machines.
Two 90 degree angles on the tonearm do not bode well for sound quality, and it is difficult to see how it connects to the horn.
I suspect that it may be the work of an enthusiastic amateur.

The center part of the back bracket must rotate to let the tone arm move , bit sophisticated for an amateur perhaps it was made to overcome tapered tone arm patents ?

OrthoFan · Post by **OrthoFan** » Tue Sep 13, 2022 10:51 am

soundgen wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 10:11 am ...The center part of the back bracket must rotate to let the tone arm move , bit sophisticated for an amateur perhaps it was made to overcome tapered tone arm patents ?

Some Pathé' gramophones used a similar rotating mechanism, though the tonearm's design was far more sophisticated:

(FROM: https://78rpm.club/gramophones/Pathé/ )
OrthoFan

Gramtastic · Post by **Gramtastic** » Tue Sep 13, 2022 11:02 am

I'm sure it's not home made as it's far too well done. it's strange that Google can't find any reference to Lion A Phone as the transfer looks genuine .....

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