HMV identification

[ticticdok]

I need some help on identifying a HMV European phonograph I purchased. Can Anyone fill me in with any details on the machine? I know its a Victor machine but for the European market. The case is a mahogany one, built similar to a Victor 5. It also has a tag " Palmer Arcade Sunderland". Any help would be appreciated. Thanks... John.

[epigramophone]

I suspect that this machine has been heavily restored. A picture of the horn, if present, might confirm this.
Either the metal fittings have been gold plated or have been stripped to the bare brass and lacquered.
Neither would have been the original finish on a Senior Monarch, a Model VIIa or a Model 7, all of which had nickel plated fittings.

[ticticdok]

The pictures were poor here. The fittings are all nickel, but appear to have that gold tone to them.

[Steve]

It's a No. 7 and appears to have been restored. Certainly the mahogany cabinet has been stripped and repolished.

[Oedipus]

Is there a factory label underneath, with a date stamp? It is clearly a late No 7 (probably 1918-20 -- except that the Nipper transfer is style in use in 1910. Given the apparent restoration, it may be that the transfer is not original. If it is, it's an example of a machine being made up to fit an old-stock cabinet -- not uncommon at Hayes, especially during the First World War.

[ticticdok]

Thank you for the information. John

[Brian C]

I have a new arrival, nice u it and working fine. Just no id label or tag.
The sound unit is a No.4, the winder screws in, and it has a brake and speed adjust. The recess looks like other 101's
Any ideas if an old 101 or early 102, etc?
Regards
Brian

[An Balores]

Looks like a typical 101 to me......

[Inigo]

And seems of the intermediate era, not the latet ones, as it has the clips for the crank under the tonearm, and probably the old style motor, not the enclosed no59 but the former one (type 410 was it?). Does the soundbox carry the lettering at the back or it can be seen through the front mica?

[Brian C]

Hello Hugo
Nothing seen through the mica and has the wording on the back with No.4 on it. Photos attached.
I was thinking a mid 30's unit?
Regards
Brian.