Suspect HMV101

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Suspect HMV101

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There are things about this 101 which set my alarm bells ringing.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/255143295371 ... %7Ciid%3A1

The machine appears to have been heavily over restored.
The metal fittings should be nickel plated but look more like chrome.
The colour is unlike any I have seen on a 101 and the lid transfer looks like a modern replica.
Has the case been recovered or repainted?
The replacement carrying handle is not a match for the case colour.
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Re: Suspect HMV101

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Gee, I like it! Seems a tad pricey, though. Can't ship to US anyway....

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He has a regular production line of heavily restored machines

https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/richard-pony/m.html

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Re: Suspect HMV101

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neilmack wrote: Tue Sep 21, 2021 12:53 pm He has a regular production line of heavily restored machines

https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/richard-pony/m.html
I see what you mean! Among his other gems are a 102D with the instruction plate fitted to the batch made for the Ministry of Supply, but they were all black and this one is green :?: . As for the De Luxe 101 in "Goat Leather", words fail :lol: .

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They are all horrific !

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Gramtastic wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 11:28 am They are all horrific !
I agree 100% !!!

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What is the problem with these? :?

They look "restored", as compared with neglected, rusty, worn, torn examples on eBay for nearly the same price. You may prefer original, untouched, perfect examples, but how many do you find these days in that condition?

I don't really understand what "over-restored" is in this context. I'm always reading about people wanting to re-cover portables or match the original colors, etc. Re-nickeling is a common subject, along with making new parts, etc. So, what exactly, defines "over-restoration" - when do you cross the line?

These are not fake Crap-O-Phones or Frankenphones, just original machines that needed restoration... and now look "restored". :roll:
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Henry wrote: Tue Sep 21, 2021 11:53 am Gee, I like it! Seems a tad pricey, though. Can't ship to US anyway....
Me too...
"The phonograph† is not of any commercial value."
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Re: Suspect HMV101

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Curt A wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 1:54 pm What is the problem with these? :?

They look "restored", as compared with neglected, rusty, worn, torn examples on eBay for nearly the same price. You may prefer original, untouched, perfect examples, but how many do you find these days in that condition?

I don't really understand what "over-restored" is in this context. I'm always reading about people wanting to re-cover portables or match the original colors, etc. Re-nickeling is a common subject, along with making new parts, etc. So, what exactly, defines "over-restoration" - when do you cross the line?

These are not fake Crap-O-Phones or Frankenphones, just original machines that needed restoration... and now look "restored". :roll:
They're incorrectly restored. HMV didn't market a bilious yellow 101; The Ministry of Supply didn't procure machines finished in green.

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Re: Suspect HMV101

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neilmack wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 2:34 pm
Curt A wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 1:54 pm What is the problem with these? :?

They look "restored", as compared with neglected, rusty, worn, torn examples on eBay for nearly the same price. You may prefer original, untouched, perfect examples, but how many do you find these days in that condition?

I don't really understand what "over-restored" is in this context. I'm always reading about people wanting to re-cover portables or match the original colors, etc. Re-nickeling is a common subject, along with making new parts, etc. So, what exactly, defines "over-restoration" - when do you cross the line?

These are not fake Crap-O-Phones or Frankenphones, just original machines that needed restoration... and now look "restored". :roll:
They're incorrectly restored. HMV didn't market a bilious yellow 101; The Ministry of Supply didn't procure machines finished in green.
"Bilious yellow" :lol: I like that!

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