A Berliner apparently + records
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Re: A Berliner apparently + records
Anyone want to guess what the final bid will be?
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I am thinking between £3,500 and £ 5,000.
If it is 'all it seems to be'.
I know nothing about Berliners.
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Re: A Berliner apparently + records
the box picture is different to the machine ? but they have made £15,000 and £30,000 in the past at auction
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Re: A Berliner apparently + records
The crate label seems to be the label used on all K&R's later models. Here is another example recently sold in the US at auction. The machine shown on the label is the earlier version of the K&R Grammophon.
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Yes, I can see that you " know nothing about Berliners" --- Five inch Berliners can fetch serious money , I have seen them sell at auction each for as much as £ 1100 ( plus buyer's premium ) although I realize that is an unusually high price , but they usually make between 500 and 800 each. Naturally with a group of eighteen , the price for one cannot be multiplied up for a job lot so to speak , but they are still going to make serious money. I have never seen eighteen come up for sale all together. Possibly factor in £10 or £12 K for the records and whatever the machine is worth -- say £15K. Could make a final hammer price in the £20 K to £25K range ( allowing for the the greedy buyer's premium ). The auctioneers , as often , don't have a clue -- indeed they have offered the lot in their " general sale " !! Let's hope the records stay in one piece during the viewing whereby Tom Dick and Harry will be handling them !! I shudder to think !poodling around wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 1:43 pmI am thinking between £3,500 and £ 5,000.
If it is 'all it seems to be'.
I know nothing about Berliners.
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Re: A Berliner apparently + records
I have no doubt that the machine is extremely rare and, to some, extremely desirable, but rather than speculate as to it's value I prefer to adopt an 1890's approach.
No matter how generous my budget I could not bring myself to tie up a large sum of money in such a crude machine which, in it's day, would have made the owner of an Edison or a Graphophone sick with mirth.
Of course with the benefit of hindsight we all know that the Gramophone had the last laugh.
No matter how generous my budget I could not bring myself to tie up a large sum of money in such a crude machine which, in it's day, would have made the owner of an Edison or a Graphophone sick with mirth.
Of course with the benefit of hindsight we all know that the Gramophone had the last laugh.
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Re: A Berliner apparently + records
We must of course observe that what may seem like a " large sum of money " to your good self ( and indeed myself ) -- the final sale price may not represent a " large sum of money "epigramophone wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 8:24 am I have no doubt that the machine is extremely rare and, to some, extremely desirable, but rather than speculate as to it's value I prefer to adopt an 1890's approach.
No matter how generous my budget I could not bring myself to tie up a large sum of money in such a crude machine which, in it's day, would have made the owner of an Edison or a Graphophone sick with mirth.
Of course with the benefit of hindsight we all know that the Gramophone had the last laugh.
to someone who has " a large sum of money " ! Indeed it is more of the historical importance and rarity aspect rather than its musical entertainment value that will attract the buyer .
I must admit though , if I didn't have a house that needs money spending on it , not to mention what " her indoors " would think about such an expenditure , I do rather fancy it !!
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