HMV model - Japanese ?

[poodling around]

I wonder which model this is ?

Does it have a Japanese style winding handle ?

Is the brown turn-table cloth original ?

I just thought this might be an interesting HMV model ?


https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/386674323410 ... R8Tb5-OkYw

[Orchorsol]

Others with more knowledge of HMV portables will confirm or otherwise, but it looks to me kike an ordinary Model 97.

[Phono48]

Others with more knowledge of HMV portables will confirm or otherwise, but it looks to me kike an ordinary Model 97.

Yep, it's a bog-standard 97, albeit a very tatty one!

Barry

[poodling around]

Thank you very much for the information orchorsol and Phono48.

Greatly appreciated.

[epigramophone]

The brown turntable felt and the No.23 soundbox identify this 97 as a wartime model.
Materials and components were in short supply, so HMV used whatever they had.
Pre-war 97's had the No.21 soundbox, and coloured versions had matching turntable felt.
This "Wreck of an old 97" (forgive me Vernon Dalhart) is located in Somerset, but I won't be rushing to purchase it.

[poodling around]

The brown turntable felt and the No.23 soundbox identify this 97 as a wartime model.
Materials and components were in short supply, so HMV used whatever they had.
Pre-war 97's had the No.21 soundbox, and coloured versions had matching turntable felt.
This "Wreck of an old 97" (forgive me Vernon Dalhart) is located in Somerset, but I won't be rushing to purchase it.

Very interesting indeed eigramophone.

I know very little about Japanese portable gramophones but wonder - is the winding handle typical of Japanese models - the shape of the ends - the flatish plastic bit on one end and the non-screw 'slot' type which winds the motor on the other ?

[Steve]

The brown turntable felt and the No.23 soundbox identify this 97 as a wartime model.
Materials and components were in short supply, so HMV used whatever they had.
Pre-war 97's had the No.21 soundbox, and coloured versions had matching turntable felt.
This "Wreck of an old 97" (forgive me Vernon Dalhart) is located in Somerset, but I won't be rushing to purchase it.

Very interesting indeed eigramophone.

I know very little about Japanese portable gramophones but wonder - is the winding handle typical of Japanese models - the shape of the ends - the flatish plastic bit on one end and the non-screw 'slot' type which winds the motor on the other ?

I'm not sure where you're getting the Japanese link from? As others have said it's a bog standard 97, albeit in tatty condition. It's not Japanese or even Japanese influenced.

[poodling around]

The brown turntable felt and the No.23 soundbox identify this 97 as a wartime model.
Materials and components were in short supply, so HMV used whatever they had.
Pre-war 97's had the No.21 soundbox, and coloured versions had matching turntable felt.
This "Wreck of an old 97" (forgive me Vernon Dalhart) is located in Somerset, but I won't be rushing to purchase it.

Very interesting indeed eigramophone.

I know very little about Japanese portable gramophones but wonder - is the winding handle typical of Japanese models - the shape of the ends - the flatish plastic bit on one end and the non-screw 'slot' type which winds the motor on the other ?

I'm not sure where you're getting the Japanese link from? As others have said it's a bog standard 97, albeit in tatty condition. It's not Japanese or even Japanese influenced.

Hello stranger !

Well, what I think was a made in Japan (?) portable Columbia was sold on ebay recently and it seems to have a very similar winder ... so I wondered if there was a connection ?

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[epigramophone]

UK Columbia acquired the Nipponophone company and their Japanese factory in 1927, and manufactured gramophones there well into the EMI (post 1931) era.
HMV and Victor had a reciprocal agreement whereby neither would operate in the other's territory. Japan was in Victor's territory, which is why there are no Japanese HMV machines.

[poodling around]

UK Columbia acquired the Nipponophone company and their Japanese factory in 1927, and manufactured gramophones there well into the EMI (post 1931) era.
HMV and Victor had a reciprocal agreement whereby neither would operate in the other's territory. Japan was in Victor's territory, which is why there are no Japanese HMV machines.

Very good. So although the handles are similar there is no Japanese connection for HMV.

Very interesting indeed.