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 Post subject: 6 inch concert cylinder record worth?
PostPosted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 11:48 am 
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I found a 6 inch concert cylinder. WHat are they worth? It was moldy, with the box.

Thanks for any advice.

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 Post subject: Re: 6 inch concert cylinder record worth?
PostPosted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 11:58 am 
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Moldy cylinder value: $0 The empty box, in good condition: $30...?
"The phonograph† is not of any commercial value."
Thomas Alva Edison - Comment to his assistant, Samuel Insull.

"No one needs a Victrola XX, a Perfected Graphophone Type G, or whatever you call those noisy things."
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 Post subject: Re: 6 inch concert cylinder record worth?
PostPosted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 12:18 pm 
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I'm presuming you mean a 5 inch cylinder ("Concert" is an Edison; "Grand" is a Columbia). If so I agree with Curt's valuation of the cylinder. I think $10 is closer to the going rate for decent "Concert" and "Grand" boxes.

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 Post subject: Re: 6 inch concert cylinder record worth?
PostPosted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 12:34 pm 
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Sorry I mispoke, I am not well versed in these at all. Its a 5 inch dia concert record. I was looking for a 6 inch 3 minute record but he had this concert. I would say its non playable, just a shelf sitter.

THanks guys! A friend of mine was looking for a 3 minute 6 inch long cylinder but I found this one. I wasnt sure, he wanted $25, I passed on it but was wondering what it may be worth. I am always learning something.. or trying to anyway! hahah

Thanks guys,

T


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 Post subject: Re: 6 inch concert cylinder record worth?
PostPosted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 12:36 pm 
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Curt A wrote:
Moldy cylinder value: $0 The empty box, in good condition: $30...?

Couldn't ones that are completely molded be valuable for making blanks? I assume creating modern concert sized blanks is quite difficult.

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 Post subject: Re: 6 inch concert cylinder record worth?
PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2020 9:21 pm 
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I suppose you could make a blank out of it, and destroy it, and if this was done enough it would make the value of the pristine ones more valuable. I am working to put out a new 5" cylinder since I just got the parts for the recording and playback of 5" cylinders. And Paul Morris makes 5" cylinders as well. When they came out they were very expensive, $3.00 each, and by 1900 $1.00 each. Most moldy ones I have seen are $20-30.00 to be shaved, new blanks from the UK at $50.00. I have a Graphophone Grand record that was moldy, and I was going to make a blank out of it, however, I cleaned it with lab tone and distilled water. The cylinder was caked with white powdery mold, and when I cleaned it, it came off as brown gunk, and the grooves look much better than I could imagine. Shure pitting exists, where the mold had eaten some of the stearic. A 5" cylinder record has a lot of surface area the sound waves are big and spaced out, so it still plays loudly and clearly, just with noise. I really question people's motives when I have seen the difference for myself.


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 Post subject: Re: 6 inch concert cylinder record worth?
PostPosted: Mon Feb 10, 2020 8:20 pm 
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I have a few nice playable 5" cylinders with minor mold... What the heck is LAB TONE??

Very interested..

Blizz


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 Post subject: Re: 6 inch concert cylinder record worth?
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fmblizz wrote:
I have a few nice playable 5" cylinders with minor mold... What the heck is LAB TONE??

Very interested..

Blizz


Labtone (one word) is a cleaner used by many of us for cleaning wax cylinders safely. Rich Gordon used to sell it in small pouches. You mix it with distilled water, soak a soft cloth with it, and drag the cloth across the grooves. If you search the board for "labtone" you'll find more info.


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 Post subject: Re: 6 inch concert cylinder record worth?
PostPosted: Mon Feb 10, 2020 9:10 pm 
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Thanks for the reply,,, I'll check with Rich..

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 Post subject: Re: 6 inch concert cylinder record worth?
PostPosted: Tue Feb 11, 2020 7:15 am 
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A new blank with authentic formula and spiral core!
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This is an example of a Grand record that was caked with white powdery mold. The mold does some damage, but brown wax is not as affected as when black wax gets that rusty crust on it, it eats some of the recordings, but cleaning can make it audible, not perfect but still playable. This is a Columbia New York and London record. https://youtu.be/HQt_CX94FQg


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