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 Post subject: WANTED: Ma Rainey Paramount records
PostPosted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 5:50 pm 
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I'm looking for any Ma Rainey 78 rpm Paramount records


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 Post subject: Re: WANTED: Ma Rainey Paramount records
PostPosted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 6:30 pm 
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You must have seen the Ma Rainey play reboot that appeared on Netflix. But be ready to dig deep in your pocket. I picked up 4 of her records in a mass purchase of records 4 or 5 years ago even before I really knew who she was. I listened to them and decided to keep them. That was at the time dumb luck.

There are a number of them for sale on ebay, and the lowest price is $250-and up to $800. Don't know if that is due to the movie or not.

Perhaps this is not the time to go looking for them...
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 Post subject: Re: WANTED: Ma Rainey Paramount records
PostPosted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 9:07 pm 
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Record condition is very poor, but what a cool label! (On eBay right now, along with another copy at 4X the price.)


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 Post subject: Re: WANTED: Ma Rainey Paramount records
PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2020 12:05 am 
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Most of the desirable Paramount records look like they were played and played and played, with a rusty nail... :?
"The phonograph† is not of any commercial value."
Thomas Alva Edison - Comment to his assistant, Samuel Insull.

"No one needs a Victrola XX, a Perfected Graphophone Type G, or whatever you call those noisy things."
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 Post subject: Re: WANTED: Ma Rainey Paramount records
PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2020 11:20 am 
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Curt A wrote:
Most of the desirable Paramount records look like they were played and played and played, with a rusty nail... :?


Music bought, and listened to, by "poor folks", who had little money for needles and less still for record cabinets. They may also have had very few records and played those few endlessly. Those records may have been the only entertainment they had available. I try to imagine those folks when I see a very used-up record like this. The record tells a story well beyond the recording itself. How shocked they would be today, that there are some who would pay hundreds of dollars for their well worn discs.


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 Post subject: Re: WANTED: Ma Rainey Paramount records
PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2020 12:58 pm 
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Ma Rainey's Black Bottom on Netflix is excellent and is recommended viewing for sure. That said, it did not go very deep into her music or her repertoire. Much more focused on the experience for black recording artists in the late '20's and related issues of racial injustice. A more extensive musical overview was provided by the HBO film "Bessie" from 2015. Queen Latifah did a fantastic portrayal of Bessie Smith, who was mentored by Ma Rainey. She went on to be a somewhat more successful performer who was able to break through other critical barriers including being able to record on mainstream record label (Columbia). These two films complement each other. I know "Bessie" is available on DVD. Not sure where you can find it to stream on line...


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 Post subject: Re: WANTED: Ma Rainey Paramount records
PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2020 1:50 pm 
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Speaking of steel needles,my late friend Jerry Donnell told me that someone told him to put the used needles into a door jam and that would resharpen them.It may have been the case with folks who couldn't afford new needles,like those who bought Ma Rainey's Paramounts edisonplayer.


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 Post subject: Re: WANTED: Ma Rainey Paramount records
PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2020 3:54 pm 
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I have one original Paramount 78 by Ma.One side is Moonshine Blues,and the reverse is Southern Blues.Ma is accompanied by Lovie Austin's Blues Serenaders.The record is made of reddish brown shellac.I got it on EBAY several years ago.I also have an LP reissue on Biograph and a CD of Ma Rainey's work.edisonplayer


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 Post subject: Re: WANTED: Ma Rainey Paramount records
PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2020 4:33 pm 
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As read dat, I rushed to Netflix and watched Ma Rainey's Black Bottom.... Nice well done documentary-film. The scenes in the studio have one upright Victrola (xvi or similar), I've also spotted a credenza, and they seem to have also a tabletop or a horn gramophone without the horn in the studio engineers cabin; you can spot its exhibition soundbox on the gooseneck turned upside down.
But they're using acetates... back in 1927? And using a weight controlled motor?
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 Post subject: Re: WANTED: Ma Rainey Paramount records
PostPosted: Sun Dec 27, 2020 7:49 pm 
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Acetates(lacquer-costed aluminum or other metal-based) in 1927-no, no and no. Softish wax masters.

Weight - driven turntables definately. Used in smaller studios and for territory, field-regional recording sessions.


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