Mounting 10"-12" selector buttons on Edison C-250

[fran604g]

This helps me too, I'm going to be adding one to my C-19 soon. Does anyone have the measurements for the placement of the single reproducer holder?

Is yours the bolt-on type, or the kind held to the wood with screws? I bought one of the reproduction bolt-on types that were briefly available through the Yankee Trader section recently. It fits easily between the bedplate and false work, and I slipped it as far to the left as possible to avoid interference with the horn and reproducer in play.

Mine is the screw-in type

I started a new post, here: http://forum.talkingmachine.info/viewto ... =2&t=31521, so as to not confuse this topic with the OP.

Best,
Fran

[fran604g]

This helps me too, I'm going to be adding one to my C-19 soon. Does anyone have the measurements for the placement of the single reproducer holder?

Brandon,

I don't have specific measurements, but these are typically screwed to the rear interior toward the left corner. Avoid mounting it too far to the left, or the slanted frame of the lid's interior will contact the reproducer when in place.

George P.

I have a C-19 with one mounted in the rear of the cabinet, I'm going to send him measurements and photos this afternoon. I will also post it here in case it's useful to anyone.

Sean

I'm very sorry guys, I didn't see your 2 posts before I posted mine...

-Fran

[OrthoSean]

I'm very sorry guys, I didn't see your 2 posts before I posted mine...

-Fran

That's OK, you saved me a little work!

Sean

[drh]

Image shown of my C 19 SN 172,249.

The measurement is 4-27/32" from the front edge of the turntable trim piece.

Best,
Fran

I hesitate to bother you again, but since you did such a thorough, helpful job of documenting in photos the mounting of reproducer holder brackets, I'm hoping you'll be open to helping me out one more time with the button selector. Could you do some photos of how your horn-mounted doohickey (as noted, the scientific term) engages the spring-loaded stop fingers when they are depressed? I've tried locating my top piece according to your dimensions, and while I've gotten the mounting bracket onto the horn with no trouble, I can't get the doohickey to engage the fingers. What's worse, I can't get it mounted in such a way that it can come even close without either hitting the cabinet interior at the end of the horn's travel or else one of the bedplate mounts at the beginning, in either case impeding the horn's swing through its full range. My set came from an LP console; could it be that the dimensions are different for the ones intended for retrofitting older machines like my C-250?

If it helps, what I call the "doohickey," the thin metal part that sticks out from the horn, is in a modified "Z" shape with one short and one long arm. The short one goes off at a bit of an angle from the "z's" stem and is 1.5" on the shorter edge, 1 ⅝" on the longer one. The long one is straight in line with the "z's" stem but has a diagonal cut across the end; the longer one is 2 11/32" on the long edge and 2" even on the short edge. The "z's" stem is 3 15/32".

[edit] Oh, I should add, the shorter arm has a little bump punched out in the middle.

[fran604g]

Image shown of my C 19 SN 172,249.

The measurement is 4-27/32" from the front edge of the turntable trim piece.

Best,
Fran

I hesitate to bother you again, but since you did such a thorough, helpful job of documenting in photos the mounting of reproducer holder brackets, I'm hoping you'll be open to helping me out one more time with the button selector. Could you do some photos of how your horn-mounted doohickey (as noted, the scientific term) engages the spring-loaded stop fingers when they are depressed? I've tried locating my top piece according to your dimensions, and while I've gotten the mounting bracket onto the horn with no trouble, I can't get the doohickey to engage the fingers. What's worse, I can't get it mounted in such a way that it can come even close without either hitting the cabinet interior at the end of the horn's travel or else one of the bedplate mounts at the beginning, in either case impeding the horn's swing through its full range. My set came from an LP console; could it be that the dimensions are different for the ones intended for retrofitting older machines like my C-250?

If it helps, what I call the "doohickey," the thin metal part that sticks out from the horn, is in a modified "Z" shape with one short and one long arm. The short one goes off at a bit of an angle from the "z's" stem and is 1.5" on the shorter edge, 1 ⅝" on the longer one. The long one is straight in line with the "z's" stem but has a diagonal cut across the end; the longer one is 2 11/32" on the long edge and 2" even on the short edge. The "z's" stem is 3 15/32".

[edit] Oh, I should add, the shorter arm has a little bump punched out in the middle.

David,

The version on my C 19 has only one "finger": of a modified "Z" shape. Could you provide a photo of yours? It sounds quite dissimilar to mine.

Below are photos of the system as it is installed (presumably from the factory) on my C 19 #172,249; and of a spare I have, shown with a 6" scale for comparison - sorry for the crappy exposures...

Best,
Fran

[drh]

Image shown of my C 19 SN 172,249.

The measurement is 4-27/32" from the front edge of the turntable trim piece.

Best,
Fran

I hesitate to bother you again, but since you did such a thorough, helpful job of documenting in photos the mounting of reproducer holder brackets, I'm hoping you'll be open to helping me out one more time with the button selector. Could you do some photos of how your horn-mounted doohickey (as noted, the scientific term) engages the spring-loaded stop fingers when they are depressed? I've tried locating my top piece according to your dimensions, and while I've gotten the mounting bracket onto the horn with no trouble, I can't get the doohickey to engage the fingers. What's worse, I can't get it mounted in such a way that it can come even close without either hitting the cabinet interior at the end of the horn's travel or else one of the bedplate mounts at the beginning, in either case impeding the horn's swing through its full range. My set came from an LP console; could it be that the dimensions are different for the ones intended for retrofitting older machines like my C-250?

If it helps, what I call the "doohickey," the thin metal part that sticks out from the horn, is in a modified "Z" shape with one short and one long arm. The short one goes off at a bit of an angle from the "z's" stem and is 1.5" on the shorter edge, 1 ⅝" on the longer one. The long one is straight in line with the "z's" stem but has a diagonal cut across the end; the longer one is 2 11/32" on the long edge and 2" even on the short edge. The "z's" stem is 3 15/32".

[edit] Oh, I should add, the shorter arm has a little bump punched out in the middle.

David,

The version on my C 19 has only one "finger": of a modified "Z" shape. Could you provide a photo of yours? It sounds quite dissimilar to mine.

Below are photos of the system as it is installed (presumably from the factory) on my C 19 #172,249; and of a spare I have, shown with a 6" scale for comparison - sorry for the crappy exposures...

Best,
Fran

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Thanks for the photos! Yours actually does look like mine; I probably didn't describe it clearly enough. Anyhow, I'll try to get some photos up in the next few days, once a big eruption of dust here at home settles a bit. (To some extent, literally dust--we're remodeling our kitchen, and that drywall stuff gets *everywhere*....)

[fran604g]

Thanks for the photos! Yours actually does look like mine; I probably didn't describe it clearly enough. Anyhow, I'll try to get some photos up in the next few days, once a big eruption of dust here at home settles a bit. (To some extent, literally dust--we're remodeling our kitchen, and that drywall stuff gets *everywhere*....)

David,

I went ahead and looked into this topic today by comparing the factory original 10"-12" selector feature of my C 19 #172,249, alongside the "spare" assembly I have planned to mount on another Chippendale. I think we aren't comparing apples to apples. While I assumed you were describing the horn mounted travel limit "finger" (for lack of any better descriptor), I now wonder if you were actually describing the turntable mount 2-button "plunger" assembly?

This is what I discovered today:

The factory original plungers on my C 19, have a different length than the other spare set from an unknown contributor.

To my mind, the different plunger lengths presumably explains just how the company managed to get the button selector system to function with horns of larger or smaller diameters, or because of varying horn compartment dimensions of consoles - like the BC-34 for instance: a small horn (Frow reports the No.100 followed by a No.150) and 10"-12" start selectors.

I don't know if the horn mounted "finger" may have been also modified for each particular model. When you find time, would you compare yours to the one I earlier showed?

Well, I learn something new everyday!

Anyway, I think the following pictures tell the story.

Hope this helps,
Fran

[fran604g]

I used a 1/16" cutoff wheel in my hand grinder to remove the excess length of the plungers, and check-fit it to C 19 #172,249 for fit and function. This plunger assembly works perfectly now.

-Fran

[fran604g]

David,

Further investigation reveals the horn mounted fingers to be different as well. I don't know how yours will differ.

-Fran

[drh]

Thanks for the photos! Yours actually does look like mine; I probably didn't describe it clearly enough. Anyhow, I'll try to get some photos up in the next few days, once a big eruption of dust here at home settles a bit. (To some extent, literally dust--we're remodeling our kitchen, and that drywall stuff gets *everywhere*....)

David,

I went ahead and looked into this topic today by comparing the factory original 10"-12" selector feature of my C 19 #172,249, alongside the "spare" assembly I have planned to mount on another Chippendale. I think we aren't comparing apples to apples. While I assumed you were describing the horn mounted travel limit "finger" (for lack of any better descriptor), I now wonder if you were actually describing the turntable mount 2-button "plunger" assembly?

This is what I discovered today:

The factory original plungers on my C 19, have a different length than the other spare set from an unknown contributor.

To my mind, the different plunger lengths presumably explains just how the company managed to get the button selector system to function with horns of larger or smaller diameters, or because of varying horn compartment dimensions of consoles - like the BC-34 for instance: a small horn (Frow reports the No.100 followed by a No.150) and 10"-12" start selectors.

I don't know if the horn mounted "finger" may have been also modified for each particular model. When you find time, would you compare yours to the one I earlier showed?

Well, I learn something new everyday!

Anyway, I think the following pictures tell the story.

Hope this helps,
Fran

Hi, no, I was talking about what you're calling the "finger" (what I called the "doohickey"). I just took some photos, with our new kitchen flooring as backdrop. My kit appears to match your "unknown donor" one. For what it's worth, I bought it from a fellow forum member through the Yankee Trader section, and he said it had come from an LP console he was parting out. Don't remember which model, if he even mentioned it in the first place, but according to Frow all three horn sizes appeared in that short-lived line. I suspect we now know why the measurement you posted for me back at the beginning of the thread didn't work with my button set.