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That is an absolutely incredible find and I am very envious! At the same time, it is tremendously inspiring that so many amazing rarities still turn up. I seriously believed 30 years ago that all the good finds had been made, all the cellars and attics raided. Boy, was I wrong on that score! Your nickel Class M opens up a fascinating mystery to research and I'm glad you are pursuing it so seriously.

As a sidebar to this story, I cringe every time I see the term "Military" repeated in reference to the ⅓ scale miniature Class M in the collections of the Edison National Historic Site.

Back in 2001-2004 when the late Bill Ptacek and I were doing serious research on this machine we were particularly perplexed by that "military" designation. It really made no sense, given that a miniature phonograph -- with inconvenient battery power no less -- was in no way suited for any military purpose we could fathom. Not to mention one very critical issue: the recording and reproducing diaphragms are so small in diameter that they would have virtually no flexibility, and with tiny stylii and short tracks on tiny records would not be capable of making a decent recording even under the best of circumstances, let alone on a battlefield. Frankly, we seriously doubted it could work at all. Check out how tiny it really is:

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As I started digging in various sources I was unable to find a single reference to the term "military" in any book, article, or other reference -- with one sole exception: George Frow's book on cylinder phonographs. But Frow cited no source for his use of the term.

In 2002 I made a phone call to Frow to ask about it. He was very old at the time and in the early stages of dementia, unfortunately. He had no recollection of where the 'military' designation came from, nor did he have any notes left that he could refer to.

I also posed the question to Paul Israel (Edison Papers Project), Ray Wile (noted researcher), and Ron Dethlefson (Edison expert and long-time volunteer at the Ford Museum). None had ever seen it referenced elsewhere. Paul Israel told me "As to the small "military" form of the Class M phonograph, I don't know anything about that particular machine other than what Frow has written about it. He appears to get his information about this machine from J. Lewis Young, Edison and His Phonograph (1890). I do agree that it seems unlikely that such a machine was actually intended for military use." I checked the book in question but while J. Lewis Young referred to it as "portable," he makes no mention of "military."

The only other contemporary reference I found was one referring to Edison carrying it under his arm as he boarded a ship to take to the 1889 Paris Exposition Universelle, but nothing mentioned or even implied a military reference.

I asked Jerry Fabris at the Edison Site whether there was anything in their files to substantiate the "military" designation. He replied that "I checked the catalog record, the catalog folder, and the original accession inventory here. There is no mention of the name "Military" in any of those sources."

The earliest known use of the term "military" remains Frow's 1978 edition.

Based on my research, and Bill's very intense study of the actual machine, as well as full-size Spectacle model Class Ms, we came to the inescapable conclusion that Frow's "military" appellation was his own fabrication. Everything about the surviving artifact itself, as well as the limited documentary record, would seem to indicate that it was made strictly as a display piece for the Paris Exposition -- where it was prominently shown and appears in many contemporary photographs, such as this one:

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It is certainly an impressive piece of work that would have been admired by anyone with an understanding of the complexity of building such a miniature working phonograph. If it had any intended purpose whatsoever, other than a one-time public display, it would seem logical that there would be some reference to that, somewhere. It is far too detailed and finely finished to be a prototype, and given that it is exactly the same as a conventional phonograph, except in ⅓ scale, means there is nothing about it that was new or experimental. Its size was its only novelty, and evidently its only purpose as well. The fact that it never had any apparent useful purpose, and evidently went straight from Paris into Edison's home, makes it seem all the more certain that it was a decorative display item than a working phonograph or experimental machine of any kind. (It was displayed in a dark cabinet in a corner of Edison's dining room until the recent rebuilding of the Edison lab, where it is now publicly displayed for the first time in decades.)

I think it's unfortunate that Frow's unsupported designation has now been reprinted so often that it has become "fact." I really winced when I found it was on the new explanatory sign at the Site since that essentially certifies the name officially.

I had originally intended to write an article about the machine but unfortunately I set it aside when Bill died, and with him the project to replicate the machine. I still have piles of notes filed away somewhere. Bill and I had many hours of discussion about the "military" term, and we shared an absolute conviction that it's a total misnomer invented by George Frow, for no imaginable reason.

If anyone is aware of any contemporary citation that I have not found, I'd certainly love to know about it!

In the interim it is my hope that eventually we can eliminate this misnomer once and for all, just as researchers have finally done with the long-repeated but erroneous claim that the first tinfoil phonograph was completed in August 1877, rather than December. It took years to correct that flagrant mistake, this one may take even longer to overcome.

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Thanks, Rene, for the clarification. Like you said, I called it by what I had heard others call it and didn't know any different. I will try to do my part to stop the confusion in the future.

Also, thanks for the pictures. They are great for reference purposes. George already dismissed the possibility of the M in question being an exact replica of the portable M in a full size due to the spectacle issue. But, for the sake of adding to that dismissal, the second photo you posted shows the full sized Class M with a black top works. :)

So are there any portable size cylinders to go along with the portable M? I see a few in the picture and would think they would have stayed with the phonograph when Edison took it home with him. Do they exist today?

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It's interesting that only 2 drawers are known to have the reproducer/recorder cut-outs because I KNOW I've seen them somewhere before...but where?
I can only think of 2 possibilities.
1/ It was in the Encyclopedia Britannica I used to read in high school.
2/ It's in a Disney book I have here (somewhere). Yes...a Disney book!
In the mid-70's I got the first 3 volumes of these white hard covered books, and I'm pretty sure the set had "Knowledge" in the title. If I remember correctly, the third volume was on inventions & it had Scrooge McDuck on the front.
I've had a bit of search for the book but as yet I cant put my hands on it, but I will keep looking.
Maybe someone else knows the books I'm talking about & has them socked away somewhere?
I'm not positive this is where I've seen it, but I'm sure there's a Class M pictured & Bell-Tainter treadle machine. I'm really intregued now so I'm on a mission :)
If it's not hiding somewhere in one of the book cases, I'll have start searching the boxes of books in the shed.

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Thanks, Rene, for that background on the "Mil..." errr..., I mean the "Portable" Phonograph. When we were at the Site in 1999 shooting photos, we asked Jerry Fabris about the origin of the term, and heard the same answer. (Jerry also told us that none of the small cylinders are known to exist.) We considered dropping the "Military" nomenclature for the book, but worried that some might think there were two different Phonographs; the "Military" and the "Portable," so we reluctantly included them both.

However, I'll gladly sign onto the "No More Military Phonograph" bandwagon. I'm all for accuracy.

Now, can we all stop calling the Type "AB" Graphophone the "Macdonald?" :lol:

George P.

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Speaking of the "AB" and to touch on a point made earlier about rare phonographs still being discovered, there was a fairly rare one at an auction near me this past Saturday. It was a Graphophone Grand, or "GG". It's obviously not nearly as rare or desirable as the Class M, but still aren't too common. I didn't make the auction unfortunately, (kids were up most of the night before) but called and found out it sold for $1,600. It appeared from the pictures that it was missing the #4 reproducer. But it to it's advantage, there was a 56" horn with it that looked original to the machine and a group of 5" cylinders as well. Here is a link to the pictures from the auction. Sorry this is a bit off topic.

http://www.auctionzip.com/cgi-bin/photo ... kwd=edison

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TinfoilPhono wrote:"If it had any intended purpose whatsoever, other than a one-time public display, it would seem logical that there would be some reference to that, somewhere. It is far too detailed and finely finished to be a prototype, and given that it is exactly the same as a conventional phonograph, except in ⅓ scale, means there is nothing about it that was new or experimental. Its size was its only novelty, and evidently its only purpose as well."
It's so perfect a miniature, I'm wondering if it couldn't have been originally designed to be a patent model corresponding with # 499,879 -- http://www.google.com/patents?id=tvJAAA ... se&f=false
but for whatever reason, was never submitted. (I noticed that the patent, itself, indicates that "no model" accompanied the application.)

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Highly unlikely. There are quite a lot of Edison patent models in the Ford Museum; they are very small and crude in comparison. None were made to be functional; although the miniature Class M is unlikely to make audible recordings, it does have a complete and potentially working motor. Patent models had no need for such elaborate detail. Not to mention, until they were de-accessioned many years later, patent models were retained by the patent office. I have no doubt this machine was made solely for exhibit at the 1889 Expostion Universelle in Paris.

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This is an exciting thread about an exciting phonograph! Thank you very much for integrating us in your researches. I am very much delighted about the large number of photos you took before and after the removal of the coating. Much interesting details have already been discussed here, and your ongoing research in the Edison papers about your machine will surely bear fruit some day. Your Class M will keep us busy.

Celebrity Class M Phonographs
I have closely examined two Class M phonographs which were presented by Edison to German celebrities in 1890. Both were regular production models, each the latest type of machine, one with a mahagony case, the other with an oak case. The one presented to Hermann von Helmholtz had a brazen name plate with an engraved dedication from Edison, the second, presented to Matilda Rathenau had a small metal frame attached, holding an autograph by Edison. A book under my coauthorship about these and a good number of other phonographs will hopefully be published early next year. I keep you posted.

Military Phonograph
For some time I had intended to write about the military phonograph, but other duties kept me from this project. In short, the idea for a portable phonograph came from George Edward Gouraud, Edison's representative in Great Britain. On November 3, 1888 Gouraud wrote to Edison:
PORTABLE PHONOGRAPH FOR EXPRESS SERVICES – CIVIL & MILITARY. - I confirm my letter of 6th October with reference to the mounted phonogram express service which I am inaugurating in this country, and I now beg to inform you that I have begun a systematic course of applications for concessions generally throughout the entire territory under my direction, and am hoping to, at least in some cases, succeed, and am anxious to include, if possible, the exclusive right of Phonograph Talking Stations in the Depots and Passenger Stations of the Railway Companies. I would therefore here again urge upon you the extreme advisability of giving your earliest attention to the devising of some special portable machine for this messenger or phonogram express service, which machine would be equally adapted to military purposes, and for which I can assure you of an enormous demand; in fact I am in a position to say that if such a portable instrument can be devised, I am prepared to give you an order for 10,000.
Please give your early attention to this matter as it interests me greatly, and your advice will be highly appreciated.


Edison quickly responded, underestimating the task: Say I am making a ⅛ size phono complete will send photograph in week or two.

Six months later, the military phonographs(!!), scheduled for the Paris exposition still waited for completion, which is apparent in a letter from Edison to the Edison Phonograph Works on May 6, 1889: Mr. Hammer writes, requesting us to hurry up the Military Phonographs and forward them to Paris as soon as possible.

The term "military phonograph“ last showed up in my files for October 1889. William Joseph Hammer, Edison's representative in Paris wrote to Jonathan Lewis Young: You had better postpone your book till you get some photos and matter I am having made for you and if you can run over to Paris I can give you some valuable data. I have just had interesting photos made of Edisons original phonograph, his perfected tin foil machine and his new treadle latest type. … talking doll, military phonograph and arrangement of all. There is a picture of the talking doll listening to the phonograph &c.

PS: I checked it again, Edison indeed wrote "⅛ size".

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Purely conjecture here but could the extra cutouts be for spares of each due to the fragility of the glass diaphragms, especially where this was originally designed as a business machine?
What a truly amazing find and further investigation is most definitely warranted!

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Starkton wrote:
On November 3, 1888 Gouraud wrote to Edison:
PORTABLE PHONOGRAPH FOR EXPRESS SERVICES – CIVIL & MILITARY. - I confirm my letter of 6th October with reference to the mounted phonogram express service which I am inaugurating in this country, and I now beg to inform you that I have begun a systematic course of applications for concessions generally throughout the entire territory under my direction, and am hoping to, at least in some cases, succeed, and am anxious to include, if possible, the exclusive right of Phonograph Talking Stations in the Depots and Passenger Stations of the Railway Companies. I would therefore here again urge upon you the extreme advisability of giving your earliest attention to the devising of some special portable machine for this messenger or phonogram express service, which machine would be equally adapted to military purposes, and for which I can assure you of an enormous demand; in fact I am in a position to say that if such a portable instrument can be devised, I am prepared to give you an order for 10,000.
Please give your early attention to this matter as it interests me greatly, and your advice will be highly appreciated.
Well, isn't that interesting! A "mounted phonogram express service?" Fascinating - - leave it to George Gouraud... Nice research, Starkton - this must have been buried pretty deep, but George Frow apparently stumbled across it at some point. Thanks very much for sharing this!

...But I'd still like to drop the use of the term "Macdonald!"

George P.

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