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 Post subject: Re: Questions About An Early Victor VV-IV
PostPosted: Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:46 pm 
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I took a picture of my steel grilled VV-IV and it is exactly as Shawn's. The steel grill slides in from the top, into two slots milled into the side walls by the door, it is then held in place by a slotted top rail and the bottom is not secured in a slot... Your picture shows the inside of the door frame and there are no slots for the grill. You can't see the slots on Shawn's machine or mine because the grill is inserted in them.

One difference I noticed in mine (from Shawn's) is that his grill is nickel plated and mine is brass plated, along with the tonearm and reproducer. It is definitely original and I wondered if this was an option...


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 Post subject: Re: Questions About An Early Victor VV-IV
PostPosted: Wed Oct 14, 2020 1:06 pm 
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Steve, even though your cabinet does not have the slots for the steel grill, it does have some puzzling things about it... It has butt plate door hinges, like both Shawn's and mine, which was a difference on early cabinets and later ones that have mitered doors with hidden hinges... Your cabinet is somewhat of an anomaly...
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 Post subject: Re: Questions About An Early Victor VV-IV
PostPosted: Wed Oct 14, 2020 3:15 pm 
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ChesterCheetah18 wrote:
Phonolair wrote:
If you look at Shawn's picture below you will see a slot cut in the inside walls of the case to allow the metal grill to slide into.
The board going across the top of the metal grill also has a slot cut into it so it fits over the metal grill. These slots are what holds the metal grill in place. The bottom of the metal grill is not supported.

Since the Victrola IV case in question here does not have the slots cut on the inside walls, then originally it could not have had a metal grill. Originally it would have had the wood slat grill.

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I'm sorry Larry but I don't see any slots cut into the sidewalls of the cabinet. What I do see looking at Shawn's photos is a cabinet constructed the same as mine. I would also point out that Shawn in his first post stated the bottom of the grille pushed in easily. That would seem to make what you suggest implausible.

Steve


You will need to look closely but the slots are definitely there, the grill slides into them from the top. It is the same on my metal grill Victrola IV.
This metal grill is very thin metal and indeed is flexible and pushes in at the bottom because there is no support at the bottom.

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 Post subject: Re: Questions About An Early Victor VV-IV
PostPosted: Wed Oct 14, 2020 3:35 pm 
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Many thanks to both Curt and Larry. Very much appreciated!! At this point I really need to get a look at a Type A. Someone out there must have one they can share photos of!! As for the door hinges, I believe both the Type M and Type A used those hinges, and possibly the Type B as well.

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 Post subject: Re: Questions About An Early Victor VV-IV
PostPosted: Wed Oct 14, 2020 8:14 pm 
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Phonolair wrote:
ChesterCheetah18 wrote:
Phonolair wrote:
If you look at Shawn's picture below you will see a slot cut in the inside walls of the case to allow the metal grill to slide into.
The board going across the top of the metal grill also has a slot cut into it so it fits over the metal grill. These slots are what holds the metal grill in place. The bottom of the metal grill is not supported.

Since the Victrola IV case in question here does not have the slots cut on the inside walls, then originally it could not have had a metal grill. Originally it would have had the wood slat grill.

Larry Crandell

I'm sorry Larry but I don't see any slots cut into the sidewalls of the cabinet. What I do see looking at Shawn's photos is a cabinet constructed the same as mine. I would also point out that Shawn in his first post stated the bottom of the grille pushed in easily. That would seem to make what you suggest implausible.

Steve

You will need to look closely but the slots are definitely there, the grill slides into them from the top. It is the same on my metal grill Victrola IV.
This metal grill is very thin metal and indeed is flexible and pushes in at the bottom because there is no support at the bottom.

Larry Crandell

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 Post subject: Re: Questions About An Early Victor VV-IV
PostPosted: Thu Oct 15, 2020 12:07 am 
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That's spot-on James. I completely missed it!! Thank you!!

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 Post subject: Re: Questions About An Early Victor VV-IV
PostPosted: Thu Oct 15, 2020 12:55 am 
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I have a later model that is slat less. It is s/n375218. When I got it I thought I had an early model but no luck. Uses an expedition reproducer. It is a different place so no pictures. They made a lot of these machines.


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 Post subject: Re: Questions About An Early Victor VV-IV
PostPosted: Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:28 pm 
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ChesterCheetah18 wrote:
At this point I really need to get a look at a Type A. Someone out there must have one they can share photos of!! As for the door hinges, I believe both the Type M and Type A used those hinges, and possibly the Type B as well.

Steve


Steve, I pulled this Victrola IV #53435 A, from deep within the phonolair. So please excuse the condition and dirt. The pictures should give a good idea of what your grill would have looked like and how it was constructed.

Larry Crandell

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 Post subject: Re: Questions About An Early Victor VV-IV
PostPosted: Sat Oct 17, 2020 11:31 pm 
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Dirt be damned!! Larry, you are "Da Man". Thank you, thank you, thank you!! I think that seals it. Thanks also to everyone else who posted their thoughts.

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