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 Post subject: Re: Help identifying this machine and info on it's restorati
PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2020 4:08 pm 
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Thanks Curl A, phonolamplighter. This are the tippets I need to rightly move forward. Thanks for the cup restore, I can do this.
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 Post subject: Re: Help identifying this machine and info on it's restorati
PostPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2020 8:22 am 
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It looks wonderful, congrats!
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 Post subject: Re: Help identifying this machine and info on it's restorati
PostPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2020 10:04 am 
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I always enjoy these kind of projects... Keep up the great work!

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 Post subject: Re: Help identifying this machine and info on it's restorati
PostPosted: Wed Oct 28, 2020 9:59 am 
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Thanks guys. I purchased a donor tonearm for the parts I need to restore mine, "hopefully".
I have started to restore the cabinet. I don't believe in refinishing any wood unless someone has painted over the wood. I have had to do this in the past to clock cases, why would anybody in there right mind put green paint over mahogany is beyond me. I put bee's wax on the wood finish for about a week to loosen up any dirt, smoke even coal silt from years of being in that environment. Then I carefully clean or cut the dirt from the finish using fine cut cleaners by hand. My target is to keep the naturally aged patina that is below in the finish. I only take away the dirt and oxidation to revile the original finish, never adding anything to it but a final bee's wax polishing. Here is an example of before and after on one of my clocks I did in the past to show people.
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This is a very slow process but the results always look better than the starting point. After the bee's wax setting for a couple weeks the cabinet has very good looking original finish and patina to it. Just slight oxidation on the horizonal surfaces.
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I have started on the lid and I think it is going to look good when I am finished. It is going to take a couple weeks and a whole lot of rubbing to complete.
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 Post subject: Re: My first talking machine and info on it's restoration
PostPosted: Thu Oct 29, 2020 4:44 pm 
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If you want (or need) a really nice generic tonearm, reproducer and cabinet base mount, I have a NOS one that I bought for the project I recently completed. I had another one that I decided to use, so didn't need this one... If you are interested, please PM me and you can have it for exactly what I paid, plus shipping.
Curt
"The phonograph† is not of any commercial value."
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"No one needs a Victrola XX, a Perfected Graphophone Type G, or whatever you call those noisy things."
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 Post subject: Re: My first talking machine and info on it's restoration
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Can’t wait to see the finished product!


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 Post subject: Re: My first talking machine and info on it's restoration
PostPosted: Fri Oct 30, 2020 1:18 pm 
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Thanks Curt A, I am supposed to get my "D'bay" purchase today. Let me see how I stand on my blind purchase, I my need to take you up on your offer. I will let you know.
Thanks GoCOOGS! I will be posting some of the hurtles as I clear them. I have plenty of time on my hands here in the shop.


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 Post subject: Re: My first talking machine and info on it's restoration
PostPosted: Fri Oct 30, 2020 1:32 pm 
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Well I got the outside of the lid cleaned, about a 12 hour rub. This is what I have been taking off to get to the original finish.
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Working in about 2 inch squares and starting each clean with a new cotton cloth each step I was able to take some pretty good amounts of crud off the wood. Here is where I am at and will have to give my finger tips a rest for a few days.
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You can't fake a original finish. Crazing takes a long time to make and a short strip to be gone in our lifetime. I enjoy the labor to restore it. It looks a proper 100 years old.


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 Post subject: Re: My first talking machine and info on it's restoration
PostPosted: Fri Oct 30, 2020 3:06 pm 
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I got my tonearm donor today, Looked pretty good to come up with something playable with some work "old arm at the top". Reproducer diaphragm is solid but needing a rebuild just like the one that came with the machine. Length measured pretty much the same from center of mounting horn to tip of needle mount.
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Upon further inspection though I saw this. A hair line crack in the elbow of the horn mount to the reproducer. Just my luck, I will have to look at it for a couple days and see if I can disassemble it with out breaking it. If I can I think I can reinforce the crack from the inside to strengthen it so it will hold up to playing. A thin coat of epoxy on the inside maybe.
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 Post subject: Re: My first talking machine and info on it's restoration
PostPosted: Fri Oct 30, 2020 3:30 pm 
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Here is a pic of the one I have, if you change your mind or decide to return it.


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"The phonograph† is not of any commercial value."
Thomas Alva Edison - Comment to his assistant, Samuel Insull.

"No one needs a Victrola XX, a Perfected Graphophone Type G, or whatever you call those noisy things."
My Wife
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