Edison concert phonograph Beethoven reproducer

[Thomas1899]

1st of all. This reproducer is stuck on there. I have tried using different oils on it and even put it in the freezer overnight and still will not move at all, I’m thinking I should try using a blow torch on it but I don’t want to damage the frame,
2nd of all. What is this thing? On the reproducer it says “ BEETHOVEN ELECTRIC EQUIPMENT LTD 230 VOLT 1500 WATT NEVER CONNECT TO MAINS” and some other marking that i cannot see. I’m new to this community so sorry if my post is bad.
Lastly what reproducer do I need? It’s got a Edison concert duplex mandrel as show in one of the pictures. I’ve read that concerts have automatics or model b’s is that correct?. I’ve also seen that duplex reproducers have these extenders for their smaller mandrel. Any advice on where I can get one?
It has a (working) triton motor as I’ve been told and the only thing missing on the phonograph is a winding handle reproducer and a belt. I’m pretty new to the hobby so help would be appreciated

[pallophotophone]

From what I can see: The "Beethoven" piping is not part nor ever was part- of the correct duplex hardware. I believe it says - Do Not Connect Mains Unless Covered In Water. Meaning it was part of some kind of water heater apparatus.
Have you tried to unscrew it from the carriage? It might not be a simple press fit. If it is not screwed in- or pressed in for that matter- at a strictly right angle it could be jammed. It may have to be at a right angle to be removed. Not seeing any form of setscrew makes me believe it is screwed in. But be careful of how much force you apply as the carriage is cast iron and is breakable if too much force is applied ! Heat from a blowtorch might damage the original paint. Tread Lightly !!

See the thread about B reproducer compatibility. 3 gentlemen answered all my questions !

[alang]

I would try to find some pipe fitting or similar that you can screw to the inner threads so you have something to push. Then take a larger piece of PVC pipe that fits over the Beethoven thingy but is a bit longer. Now you can use a vise to carefully press the PVC pipe against the carriage and press the part out. I would be afraid to use a hammer or torch. Soaking the whole thing in penetrating oil for a couple of days before may make the pressing out easier.

Good luck!
Andreas

[recordmaker]

From a radio site

Radio Inventions started to market sets under the Beethoven name as early as 1928.
They also manufactured appliances such as the "stream-lined Glywell" electric iron (1938).

looks like the plug shield from an iron or a kettle.

I would soak in thin oil for a while it is probably a push fit as the cast iron would not be threaded normally.

Slitting it inside with a hacksaw ( open the hacksaw frame and thread the blade through and re attach) it would mean being careful not to go too far and damage the carrier arm but would avoid straining the cast iron so is pretty safe.

[pallophotophone]

Another thought arises: Thread a hacksaw blade through the tube, reattach it to the hacksaw frame and cut the tube from the inside. Being VERY VERY careful not to cut the cast iron frame. Once it is cut it ought to fall out on it's own or at least be much easier to remove. I've had to do this to help remove the swollen pot metal bearings on later model Edison cylinder phonograph mandrel shafts. If the tube is brass , it will cut very easily.