Help ID 2 Back Brackets-- Thanks!

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Hi All- Recently picked up a few parts-- In the bunch are two back brackets- Click on pics to get correct orientation...
Thanks in advance for the help-
Brad Abell

#1-- Is a Victor-- I believe a late Victor V, but wanted to get some confirmation-- The tonearm swivel pin is spring loaded, but is also secured with a set-screw- Measures 7" deep, 10" high-- Elbow opening 1 ⅝"-- Overall tonearm length 11"-- Center of swivel pin to center of u-tube opening 9 ¾"

#2- No Clue-- help please-- 4" deep. 7" high

[fonograph]

Brad...my best guess is European...probably HMV.

[kendphono]

Brad, I agree they are European. I had some just like them on machines that I bought at auction long ago.
Ken

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Thanks Ken and Bob.... That gives me some direction to continue my search... They were with a group of parts I bought recently. Hopefully I can find someone who needs them.
Brad

[Garret]

Definitely European. The first may well be Zonophone, and the second looks like a Parlophon.

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Thanks Garret!! Both are currently on Ebay--- Hopefully some of our friends across the pond will take a look and pay way too much for them

Brad

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Second bracket re-listed on Ebay due to a non-paying bidder...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/226209985237

Thanks-
Brad Abell