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 Post subject: Latest edition of HMV The Gondoliers 1919
PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2019 6:17 pm 
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Tonight i was revisiting my Gondoliers HMV set of 1919, and thru the website of Gilbert and Sullivan discography (http://gasdisc.oakapplepress.com) I noted down which of the matrices my set has. This set must have been very popular, for several sides were remade as late as 1923. My set has this late mx for side 15 (take a pair of sparkling eyes) by Tudor Davies, with orchestra conducted by Byng (Cc2690-III).
Besides that, all the records in my set have double letter pressing numbers, being GR the earlier (12th repressing, for side 3, We're called gondolieri, with the earlier mx Ho3779af) and not less than AD the latest (40th repressing for side 16, here we are at the risk of our lives, mx Ho3883af).
The labels on my set are all the 1925 style with golden corners, but the illustration on the cover is said to be the earlier one. Very interesting...
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 Post subject: Re: Latest edition of HMV The Gondoliers 1919
PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2019 3:24 pm 
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I've loved Gilbert and Sullivan operettas since about 1971. You seldom hear about them though even in the antique phonograph and record hobby. I don't have anything that old though. I saw a great production of The Gondoliers at the San Diego Comic Opera about 15 years ago, but alas, changing tastes sent that fine outfit into bankruptcy. I'd like to see some pics of your records. Did they come in an early album?


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 Post subject: Re: Latest edition of HMV The Gondoliers 1919
PostPosted: Tue Oct 22, 2019 4:51 pm 
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Marc... Trading old posts I found that... I never sent the photos of the 1919 Gondoliers HMV set...
Here they are, although interest in this matter maybe has vanished. With my apologies!


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File comment: Side no 16, the latest pressing on this set
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File comment: Side no 16, the highest matrix
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File comment: Side no 16 label
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File comment: Side no 3, the earlier pressing on this copy of the set
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File comment: Side no3, the earlier matrix
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File comment: Another one....
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File comment: Another view...
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File comment: One label...
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File comment: General view of the album. 11 marvelous black label 12" records. Pressed c.1925, golden corners label.
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File comment: An old Gondoliers libretto that came with the album at right. At left, a printout from the website information. Gilbert and Sullivan Archive.
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File comment: The cover back notes.
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File comment: The whole cover in green paper. Very tatty...
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File comment: The cover picture
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 Post subject: Re: Latest edition of HMV The Gondoliers 1919
PostPosted: Tue Oct 22, 2019 5:18 pm 
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If you ever find duplicate sets like that, let me know! I love acoustic classical discs and boxed sets are my favorite.


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 Post subject: Re: Latest edition of HMV The Gondoliers 1919
PostPosted: Tue Oct 22, 2019 7:12 pm 
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I didn’t know they were making album sets during the acoustic era. Intresting. I thought that didn’t start until record changers came out.


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 Post subject: Re: Latest edition of HMV The Gondoliers 1919
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AmberolaAndy wrote:
I didn’t know they were making album sets during the acoustic era. Intresting. I thought that didn’t start until record changers came out.


They can be tough to find but they are out there. There are even examples of sequential single- face pressings. The "set" seems to have really come in vogue in the early Twenties, with Columbia "flag" label sets and Victor blue label sets leading the charge.
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 Post subject: Re: Latest edition of HMV The Gondoliers 1919
PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 9:09 am 
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Gramophone of UK issued several album sets pretty early, starting with Pagliacci, Faust, Cavalleria and other operas. German Grammophon also issued these early sets. I've owned in the past certain records from the Spanish Gramófono Cavalleria set, and they were probably 1916-1922 pressings: flat label area with no raised rings, no golden frame for nipper nor golden corners, big handscript Gramófono brand on top the label, etc.
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Not easily at hand now, but the June 1917 Spanish Gramófono catalogue already mentioned this album set.
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 Post subject: Re: Latest edition of HMV The Gondoliers 1919
PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 11:15 am 
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P.S. Don't know why, but these Gramófono records from that era, their aspect and their labels have a powerful appeal for me... Same with Spanish Odeon pressings from before the Columbia takeover...
They are somewhat clumsy pressings, with bumps under the label, etc. But some off the music found in these records is very good... Many of them still have hand-scraped notations under the labels come among them, some dates of recording... Very interesting!
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 Post subject: Re: Latest edition of HMV The Gondoliers 1919
PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 1:46 pm 
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gramophone-georg wrote:
AmberolaAndy wrote:
I didn’t know they were making album sets during the acoustic era. Intresting. I thought that didn’t start until record changers came out.


They can be tough to find but they are out there. There are even examples of sequential single- face pressings. The "set" seems to have really come in vogue in the early Twenties, with Columbia "flag" label sets and Victor blue label sets leading the charge.


Album sets were introduced in Europe before the First World War. Odeon issued the "Casse Noisette" (Nutcracker) Suite in a special "Portfolio" album with introductory notes in 1909, and within months HMV issued an album set of the same work.


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 Post subject: Re: Latest edition of HMV The Gondoliers 1919
PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 2:34 pm 
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Hi Epi-

Yes, Europe did indeed lead the charge on issuing packaged sets of symphonic and opera works. My recounted experience have to do with USA only, as I collect the acoustically recorded sets through Depression- era sets- (mostly Depression era because acoustical sets here are so tough to find and I've become satiated with pre- Depression electrical sets).
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