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 Post subject: Cleaning phonograph after rust removal
PostPosted: Thu Jan 07, 2021 8:45 pm 
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I have a very rusty Edison Home Model D that I have used Evapo-rust on to remove the rust. It has worked great. For the majority of the machine I have soaked in the evapo rust and then rinsed with water, patted dry and then used wire brushes on my drill to clean them up more. The problem I'm running into now is with the screws and springs as well as the bedplate. Since I can't really clean the screws and springs with my wire brush I just rinsed them off with water after coming out of the evapo rust but then they immediately rust again just on the surface. I have the same problem with the bed plate since I want to preserve the original paint where it remains and dont want to use the wire brushes on it.
Since these pieces were so heavily rusted they come out of the evapo rust with no rust on them but they do need to be rinsed off in some way and cleaned. What do you use for cleaning when you are doing your restorations? Thank you for the help!


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 Post subject: Re: Cleaning phonograph after rust removal
PostPosted: Thu Jan 07, 2021 9:06 pm 
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holmes54 wrote:
I have a very rusty Edison Home Model D that I have used Evapo-rust on to remove the rust. It has worked great. For the majority of the machine I have soaked in the evapo rust and then rinsed with water, patted dry and then used wire brushes on my drill to clean them up more. The problem I'm running into now is with the screws and springs as well as the bedplate. Since I can't really clean the screws and springs with my wire brush I just rinsed them off with water after coming out of the evapo rust but then they immediately rust again just on the surface. I have the same problem with the bed plate since I want to preserve the original paint where it remains and dont want to use the wire brushes on it.
Since these pieces were so heavily rusted they come out of the evapo rust with no rust on them but they do need to be rinsed off in some way and cleaned. What do you use for cleaning when you are doing your restorations? Thank you for the help!


Rinse them with more Evapo- Rust rather than water.
"He who dies with the most shellac wins"- some nutty record geek


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 Post subject: Re: Cleaning phonograph after rust removal
PostPosted: Fri Jan 08, 2021 12:42 pm 
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Straight after rinsing with water I pat the parts dry, I then use my butane gas jet lighter to dry any moisture from the item, so it doesn't get time to rust.
You'll actually see the metal chance colour as the water evaporates
Once it's cooled, you can oil, paint, or coat the item with whatever takes your fancy, to prevent the surface rust forming.


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 Post subject: Re: Cleaning phonograph after rust removal
PostPosted: Fri Jan 08, 2021 2:20 pm 
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You can use Rustoleum Rust Inhibitor to prevent rust from forming again. Indoors it lasts a log time. Of course, oil or wax works as well, but may not be desired in all cases.

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 Post subject: Re: Cleaning phonograph after rust removal
PostPosted: Fri Jan 08, 2021 5:01 pm 
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Boeshield T-9 is a heavy-duty, rust and corrosion preventive developed by The Boeing Company for lubrication and protection of aircraft components. Specially formulated combination of solvents, waxes and lubricants coats and protects smooth and porous metals from rust and corrosion. Displaces moisture and lubricates at the same time. Dries to a thin, waxy film that will not harm paints, plastics and vinyls. Not easily removed once dried; requires mineral spirits or degreaser.

https://www.amazon.com/BOESHIELD-Corros ... B001447PEK


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 Post subject: Re: Cleaning phonograph after rust removal
PostPosted: Fri Jan 08, 2021 5:19 pm 
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Curt A wrote:
Boeshield T-9 is a heavy-duty, rust and corrosion preventive developed by The Boeing Company for lubrication and protection of aircraft components. Specially formulated combination of solvents, waxes and lubricants coats and protects smooth and porous metals from rust and corrosion. Displaces moisture and lubricates at the same time. Dries to a thin, waxy film that will not harm paints, plastics and vinyls. Not easily removed once dried; requires mineral spirits or degreaser.

https://www.amazon.com/BOESHIELD-Corros ... B001447PEK



Yup! That's the stuff. My friend did a little study a few years back. He took 5 pieces of bare sheet metal, treated each with a different "rust preventer", and left them outside for 6 months or better. Short story: Boeshield wins.


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 Post subject: Re: Cleaning phonograph after rust removal
PostPosted: Fri Jan 08, 2021 8:24 pm 
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From the Evapo Rust site:

"To prevent flash rusting, dip the item back into clean Evapo-Rust®. Then allow item to air dry. This will prevent rust for up to two weeks"

Just FYI. No need to get a different product to prevent short term flash rust.
"He who dies with the most shellac wins"- some nutty record geek


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