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For sale is a nice Columbia AT cylinder Graphophone 3rd style circa 1903. This phonograph is not perfect, but is a strong and loud player. You will also notice at the bottom-left f the bedplate there is a mounting to add a gem or Fireside type of crane. I have not seen this before on an AT. Very cool!

The wood cabinet has an excellent original finish with some spotting of the front decal. The rear decal is just about perfect.
The bedplate is near mint, original condition.
The stenciling is weak, but the enamel is nice.
The leather belt is original and in great shape.
The trunion sleeve collar is pot metal and in fine shape and glides across the feedscrew as it should.
The lift lever is tight and needs some force to lift the reproducer up amd down. The remedy is to file the lift lever slightly since it has expanded.
The phonograph includes the reproduction horn shown in the photos and the original slip off crank.

I have added many photos and a video so you can see and hear the machine play.

VIDEO: https://youtu.be/rG-yAucIM6c

Price is $500 + shipping. Free local pickup available in Wisconsin.

Thanks for looking

WOW!!! That is very nice. I wouldn't be surprised it it sells fast.

Now, pardon me if I'm incorrect, but didn't the third style AT have the "high trunnion" carriage? This looks more like a first style carriage...

Edit: on consulting Hazelcorn's book, he estimated production of the first style AT at about 70,000 units: that would seem to put the serial number of this machine within that range (in comparison, my AT from about 1899 is in the 214,xxx range). Could this be a first style machine that was upgraded into a third style case?

- Bill

I won't say never but I haven't seen the 3rd style cabinet with the early 45 degree carriage.
The carriage sleeve is the later pot metal style so it's doubtful someone just put a 1st style upper works on a 3rd style lower works.
It is possible just the early reproducer mount was attached to the sleeve if the pot metal high trunion broke.
Or Columbia just used whatever they had when this was built.

Here are my 3 AT's 1st, 2nd & 3rd Style
Chuck

I don’t mean to disrupt the thread… but Is that a diamond disc cabinet under the Graphophones?

David

ChuckA wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 11:37 pm I won't say never but I haven't seen the 3rd style cabinet with the early 45 degree carriage.
The carriage sleeve is the later pot metal style so it's doubtful someone just put a 1st style upper works on a 3rd style lower works.
It is possible just the early reproducer mount was attached to the sleeve if the pot metal high trunion broke.
Or Columbia just used whatever they had when this was built.

Chuck,
If the bed plates are the same and the motors use the same crank hole position in the cabinet throughout all 3 versions of the Columbia AT is it not possible that someone simply removed the entire works from a 1st version AT and put it into a 3rd version cabinet here at some point? I believe that I have all 3 versions of the Columbia AT here as well but I can't recall if the motors used the same crank hole position in each cabinet and I'm too lazy to pull the works out of each to examine them.

Doug

Doug,

Yes they are the same, only visual difference except for the high trunnion, is the first style uses a brass sleeve the other 2 use the pot metal style.

David,

Yes it's a DD cabinet holds 160 records.


Chuck

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ChuckA wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 5:58 pm Doug,

Yes they are the same, only visual difference except for the high trunnion, is the first style uses a brass sleeve the other 2 use the pot metal style.

David,

Yes it's a DD cabinet holds 160 records.


Chuck

Only the very earliest (1898) first style ATs used the brass sleeve; the sleeve on mine was definitely pot metal.

- Bill