What model HMV is this?

Post by **Bruce** » Fri Feb 12, 2021 11:35 pm

This HMV is coming up for auction near me and I was trying to identify which model it was before I go look at it in person.
Any ideas?

Thanks
Bruce

Post by **epigramophone** » Sat Feb 13, 2021 3:52 am

I do not recognise the case style as a UK model. If genuine, it is probably of European origin.
Perhaps one of our European members will be able to identify it.

Roger.

Post by **nostalgia** » Sat Feb 13, 2021 3:58 am

I have checked the HMG book ( Proudfoot & Oakley), but I can't find this model in the book, that is covering UK made The Gramophone Company /HMV gramophones. My guess is that it possibly may be a machine made by the German branch of The Gramophone Company, DGAG, also taking into consideration the circular Angel Plaque label shown on the machine, that (again information from the HMG book) normally is found on machines manufactured around 1904 ( at least on machines manufactured in the UK). With my eyes everything on the machine loosk authentic, the morning glory horn, the back bracket and elbow, the wooden case etc. The only part that has been renewed on the machine is the soundbox, where the original Exhibition soundbox has been exchanged with a more modern HMV no 4 style soundbox, even if I can't exactly read HMV no4 on the back side of the sounsbox due to a large adapter attached to the back side of the soundbox.
At least these are my observations, hopefully the HMV experts can give you more information, and confirmations, and even correct my observations if they are wrong.

If the machine is a DGAG machine, it may have a DGAG decal on the horn, even if I can't see that from your photos. I have myself two DGAG horns, and a DGAG decal is found on both these machines.

Steve · Post by **Steve** » Sat Feb 13, 2021 6:58 am

Its the DGAG version (or one of them) of the Victor 1 / Gramophone Co. Monarch, sometimes referred to as the "Baby Monarch".

Its completely genuine but of course you won't find it in HMG because that book does not cover the non-UK variants of HMV. If it did, the book would have been at least five times the size!

Its a real stunner. My guess is that its being offered cheaply. Please PM me if you're not interested in buying it as I would definitely buy it if I get the chance!

jamiegramo · Post by **jamiegramo** » Sat Feb 13, 2021 1:23 pm

Hello Bruce,

This is a nice example. You can see a few more discussed on this thread:

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=31840

Jamie

Post by **Bruce** » Sat Feb 13, 2021 2:11 pm

Thanks guys for the information, more evidence why this forum is such a great place for fellow collectors to share knowledge and enthusiasm for a great hobby. The HMV is being offered at a local auction house. I will take a look at it next week during the limited covid restrictions viewing times and then make a play for it.

All the best, Bruce

Post by **Orchorsol** » Sat Feb 13, 2021 2:19 pm

Really gorgeous! I love that shape of horn. I have a less ornate UK equivalent, and another the same but with the conical horn.

jamiegramo · Post by **jamiegramo** » Sat Feb 13, 2021 3:46 pm

nostalgia wrote: Sat Feb 13, 2021 3:58 am The only part that has been renewed on the machine is the soundbox, where the original Exhibition soundbox has been exchanged with a more modern HMV no 4 style soundbox, even if I can't exactly read HMV no4 on the back side of the sounsbox due to a large adapter attached to the back side of the soundbox.

To me this looks like the correct Exhibition Soundbox, probably G&T period as it has the earlier round, rather than triangular, needle hole. It would look better with the correct white coloured gaskets.

Steve · Post by **Steve** » Sat Feb 13, 2021 4:12 pm

jamiegramo wrote: Sat Feb 13, 2021 3:46 pm
nostalgia wrote: Sat Feb 13, 2021 3:58 am The only part that has been renewed on the machine is the soundbox, where the original Exhibition soundbox has been exchanged with a more modern HMV no 4 style soundbox, even if I can't exactly read HMV no4 on the back side of the sounsbox due to a large adapter attached to the back side of the soundbox.
To me this looks like the correct Exhibition Soundbox, probably G&T period as it has the earlier round, rather than triangular, needle hole. It would look better with the correct white coloured gaskets.

The soundbox appears to be the correct G & T Exhibition. This machine is of diminutive proportions. The tonearm is very slender and shorter than the standard Monarch arms. The elbow is smaller but quite long and of course the back bracket is scaled down to match. This is the small Morning Glory horn. It makes a standard Exhibition look much bigger than it is, hence why some people might mistake it for a No. 4 soundbox.

Its a $1000 or £650-750 machine in anyone's book.

Curt A · Post by **Curt A** » Sat Feb 13, 2021 8:23 pm

Whatever it is, I would jump on it...

Let us know if you get it.

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