Gramophone "his master voice"

[Marluche]

Hello, I am French and my English is not perfect.
We got a portable gramophone "his master voice" type 102B which works perfectly. But when we look for information on the internet, we realize that all the ones we found were made in England and ours comes from Sydney in Australia, maybe there was an importer who put his own label?
Another difference with those coming from England, the plate with the reference is rectangular instead of round, there is no batch number and it is written in French and German
Does this give it extra value?

[epigramophone]

The Gramophone Company's Australian factory at Erskinville, Sydney was opened in January 1926.
Gramophones would have been assembled from components sent out from the UK factory at Hayes.
Your Australian 102 is certainly rare which adds to it's interest, but valuation is dependent on comparison and I have never seen another example offered for sale. If you are thinking of selling you will need to test the market, perhaps by listing it on eBay.

[Steve]

Hello, I am French and my English is not perfect.
We got a portable gramophone "his master voice" type 102B which works perfectly. But when we look for information on the internet, we realize that all the ones we found were made in England and ours comes from Sydney in Australia, maybe there was an importer who put his own label?
Another difference with those coming from England, the plate with the reference is rectangular instead of round, there is no batch number and it is written in French and German
Does this give it extra value?

Hello,
Well first of all, your English is far better than my French! Your 102 has a standard rectangular plate which is also seen on other 102's; it is not unique to the Australian version.

As Roger has said, the best way to ascertain value is to "test" the market on Ebay. However, in my honest opinion, the condition is far more important than slight variations in the decal / transfer / badges. Please do share photos showing each side of the case so collectors don't have to guess what the condition is like. This practice alone is likely to garner more attention from potential buyers. Why most sellers don't bother to do this simply baffles me.

I have seen Australian 102's for sale on UK Ebay, the last example was for sale for a very long time due to its higher than average asking price; the seller wasn't pricing it high because of the Australian badging, he simply over-rated the condition and didn't even realise that it was from Australia!

I might have bought it had it not been obviously (to me at least) restored. I suspect someone had taken it out surfing with them.....quite literally!

Steve

[epigramophone]

If you do decide to sell, be sure to quote for postage to the UK, as this is where the majority of serious HMV collectors are located.

[Marluche]

Thank you for your answers.
For the moment, we do not intend to sell it but we would like to have an estimate of its value.
as requested here are other photos

[Steve]

Thank you for your answers.
For the moment, we do not intend to sell it but we would like to have an estimate of its value.
as requested here are other photos

The value will depend to a degree on where it is sold, accessibility for collection or shipping costs etc. The blue 102 is very common but your machine is sadly missing its record tray (not unusual) but has the lock key (a bonus!) and whilst in above average condition otherwise, it is certainly not pristine. In the UK a mint condition blue 102 has just sold for £110 complete with tray. Other examples have sold for twice that figure and sometimes more. It's a buyer's market at the current time and the prices reflect that.

It appears the outside of the case would benefit from gentle cleaning too as it looks slightly greenish compared to the inside. I've seen this before where a combination of dirt, grime and cleaning products and polishes have "yellowed" the surface over time combining with the blue to give it that greenish tint. It's not a serious issue and some collectors will prefer to tackle this themselves but the crowd who want something perfect, shiny and complete will not pay a premium for this example as it currently stands.

[Oedipus]

As Steve has said, the value of a portable depends on the exterior condition rather than details of specification - though one important factor is the colour, and the fact that this is blue makes it more desirable than a standard black one. Prices are down at present, but they are widely variable and I could see this one making around £100 at auction. It can be dated fairly closely by the fact that it has a wood (rather than metal) motor board, so not before 1933, and a No 16 sound box (replaced in the summer of 1934 by the 5A).

The metal plate with the model number is, as has been said, often found on Export 102s of the early 1930s (it was standard for a time on all HMV models around 1929-30). But what no one has remarked on is that it is the wrong label! The letter R at the beginning of the number stands for Red, not blue, for which the code was LB (= Light Blue). So you have a nice 102 with a factory error -- but that is unlikely to affect its value!

[Lah Ca]

Hello, I am French and my English is not perfect.

Hello, I am Canadian, and most embarrassingly, my French is very, very, very far from perfect, despite it being an official language.

Welcome. Very cool HMV machine! I love the picture of the intact feet in good condition.

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[epigramophone]

As Steve has said, the value of a portable depends on the exterior condition rather than details of specification.

It may well be that most collectors value the condition of an HMV102 above it's specification, but as I have set out to collect as many versions of the 102 as possible my first priority is the specification. Condition is important, but I enjoy restoring portables.
Having collected all the UK catalogued colours, Black, Blue, Brown, Green, Grey, Red and Red Leather, I have begun to collect the "foreign" versions as well. So far I have the French "La Voix de son Maitre" and the German Electrola, both in Blue, plus the Indian Teak. The Italian "La Voce del Padrone" and the Spanish "La Voz de su Amo" are still on my wanted list.
The Australian version which is the subject of this thread is the first example I have seen, and if it was for sale I could see it making up to £200, taking into account the additional costs of importing it from France.

[bartes]

As Steve has said, the value of a portable depends on the exterior condition rather than details of specification.

It may well be that most collectors value the condition of an HMV102 above it's specification, but as I have set out to collect as many versions of the 102 as possible my first priority is the specification. Condition is important, but I enjoy restoring portables.
Having collected all the UK catalogued colours, Black, Blue, Brown, Green, Grey, Red and Red Leather, I have begun to collect the "foreign" versions as well. So far I have the French "La Voix de son Maitre" and the German Electrola, both in Blue, plus the Indian Teak. The Italian "La Voce del Padrone" and the Spanish "La Voz de su Amo" are still on my wanted list.
The Australian version which is the subject of this thread is the first example I have seen, and if it was for sale I could see it making up to £200, taking into account the additional costs of importing it from France.

merhaba
Are the machines marked "La Voix de son Maitre" produced by Frenchmen?