HMV194 for auction

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For those who bemoaned the sale of an HMV511 for £28, here is a 194 with an opening price of £2. Where will it end?

https://www.the-saleroom.com/en-gb/auct ... 5c171b7d5d

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It now has an opening bid of £10. Don't all rush at once......

[Skihawx]

I wish I could buy it. How would I get it home?

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Would this one have an oil bath motor as well as 'the other one' I wonder ?

[Steve]

Would this one have an oil bath motor as well as 'the other one' I wonder ?

No. It only has the No. 34 quad spring motor, as evidenced by the lack of gilt motor-plate to top AND the single lid stay. The improved models of 1929 (?) feature twin lid stays, an extension piece to the horn under the tone-arm rail and the No. 52 oil-bath motor.

[poodling around]

Would this one have an oil bath motor as well as 'the other one' I wonder ?

No. It only has the No. 34 quad spring motor, as evidenced by the lack of gilt motor-plate to top AND the single lid stay. The improved models of 1929 (?) feature twin lid stays, an extension piece to the horn under the tone-arm rail and the No. 52 oil-bath motor.

Not so good then

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My 193 has the No.34 motor AND the twin lid stays.

[Steve]

My 193 has the No.34 motor AND the twin lid stays.

Yes, they do exist; a former member of this forum in Australia, for example, owns a 202 with twin lid stay and No. 34, but these appear to be far fewer in number than the more commonly seen surviving examples which either have single lid stay and 34 motor or twin lid stay and 52 motor. There are always going to be odd exceptions.

[Steve]

£750 plus commission BUT, one thing you will not always glean from reading "From The Saleroom" in For The Record, is what condition items are in which makes a fundamental difference to price / value.

This 194 was not in great condition: the motor board was severely crazed beyond what I've ever seen before and did not match the rest of the inside. Perhaps a previous keeper had removed it for repair and left it in a workshop for years where the sun had got to it?

The winding handle was missing although the motor ran. The exterior of the cabinet could best be described as "tired", faded and quite marked in places. However the lid had been damaged and poorly refinished but then left to get scratched up again so would require stripping and refinishing. The whole cabinet would benefit from that level of restoration which is not something I'm heard saying very often. It wasn't for me anyway and neither was I the underbidder.

[poodling around]

£750 plus commission BUT, one thing you will not always glean from reading "From The Saleroom" in For The Record, is what condition items are in which makes a fundamental difference to price / value.

This 194 was not in great condition: the motor board was severely crazed beyond what I've ever seen before and did not match the rest of the inside. Perhaps a previous keeper had removed it for repair and left it in a workshop for years where the sun had got to it?

The winding handle was missing although the motor ran. The exterior of the cabinet could best be described as "tired", faded and quite marked in places. However the lid had been damaged and poorly refinished but then left to get scratched up again so would require stripping and refinishing. The whole cabinet would benefit from that level of restoration which is not something I'm heard saying very often. It wasn't for me anyway and neither was I the underbidder.

That might account for how the auctioneer introduced the item by saying "I've had quite a lot of interest in this. I'm not sure why".