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epigramophone wrote:
You are wrong, and here is the proof :

Merely semantics, bud. That's doesn't "prove" anything.

Only once have I bought a 78 disc for its wrapper - one like this - http://www.russian-records.com/details. ... ge_id=7241.

The disc itself, a Parlophone of de Sved, clearly didn't belong to it. Now it holds a Russian pressing of a Patti, and de Sved is relegated to modern cardboard.

epigramophone wrote:You are wrong, and here is the proof :

Maybe UK vs US terminology?

When 'bags' was mentioned I thought of the discs I found in actual bags and began to wonder about early record purchasing. What was the most common record packaging during the 78 era or trends through this period? Would most records have been prepackaged in individual sleeves or would one choose unsleeved records that would be placed in bags? Just curious about the etymology of terms.

I put all my discs in new sleeves and write info on them but save most of the old sleeves and keep them out in a box. I love the graphics and like to have the originals to leaf through.

phono-smitten wrote:

epigramophone wrote:You are wrong, and here is the proof :

Maybe UK vs US terminology?

When 'bags' was mentioned I thought of the discs I found in actual bags and began to wonder about early record purchasing. What was the most common record packaging during the 78 era or trends through this period? Would most records have been prepackaged in individual sleeves or would one choose unsleeved records that would be placed in bags? Just curious about the etymology of terms.

I put all my discs in new sleeves and write info on them but save most of the old sleeves and keep them out in a box. I love the graphics and like to have the originals to leaf through.

In the UK, most records would have been supplied by the manufacturer in paper sleeves, but many dealers had their own (usually cardboard) sleeves printed for advertising purposes. Some were standard designs with spaces into which the dealer's details were inserted, whilst others were exclusive to a particular dealer.

As well as other music related items such as pianos and player pianos, some of the earliest dealer sleeves feature merchandise such as bicycles, perambulators and incandescent gas light fittings!

I found an interesting English HMV still in original seller's envelope sleeve. Any chance this place is still around?
Clck on thumbnail to enlarge.
Thought this would be of interest to the uk members.

Kryptosmaster wrote:I found an interesting English HMV still in original seller's envelope sleeve. Any chance this place is still around?
Clck on thumbnail to enlarge.
Thought this would be of interest to the uk members.

There's a seemingly endless variety of these dealer sleeves around over here, so many that they're pretty much all unremarkable. Nearly every town and city had several shops selling records (and many other kinds of goods) over the years. Virtually none of them have survived - although some of us remember a few 20 or 30 years ago. One name near me happens to remain, but as a car dealer only.

Short of someone living in or near Peckham actually going to take a look, with the internet it's as easy for you to search in the US as it is for us in the UK! A quick Google search yielded this:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/R-J-WADE-PIAN ... _46wt_1170
- I've also posted the listing photo for future readers of this thread.

That's pretty neat. I wasn't sure how to search for the address as we do addresses differently here.
What I find strange is it being here in Arizona. I wouldn't be shocked if someone in uk found this in a bunch of records.
Makes me wonder how it made its way and where it's lived through the last 100 or so years. Plus it's in such good condition.

My guess would be that it was brought to the USA by a returning GI in about 1945.