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4 hours to go and it's only up to £2,450 , it won't be sold for this amount will it ! will it be taken off at the last minute ?

I've been told the vendor has many internet providers ! thus he has multiple IP addresses ! thus he can have multiple identities on auction sites ! thus could bid on his own items without being found out ! I wonder how many people do this ?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1609168.stm


https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic ... -3fi6YhSa0

http://feedback.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI ... ckAsSeller

Just for interest earlywireless is also G.Marconi although he doesn't seem to use this ID at the moment


http://feedback.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI ... llFeedback

Perhaps the original vendor should seek legal advice , dealers who offer peanuts when they know the true value it's called "charge of obtaining property by deception"

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/529991.stm

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/1999/sep/16/paulkelso

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/archive/1999 ... h/?ref=arc

Original vendor replies !

It appears he's a dodgy character but we were happy with the amount he paid us.

He did tell us lies though but I guess that's life....


- hippy-chicklet

Winning bid:GBP 5,600.00
Is this the price that everyone expected?

It would be great to know if the motor does run properly.
When the owner picks it up they might just find the handle.
Tony

The price was ok considering the winding handle had presumably been thrown by the last vendor, the one and only Dennis 'Enigma' Yates. When the original owners in Gloucester listed it a couple of months ago on eBay, they stated that the winding handle was broken and needed a repair or replacement. Yates apparently didn't even know he had bought a 202, let alone know where to source a temporary winder, even though he must have hurriedly beaten a path to the vendor's door in a flash. Lucky fellow, hey? Maybe he thought it was portable? In some quarters these are rather flavour of the moment after all.

Just imagine persuading an eBay seller to end a listing early for an item that isn't your typical merchandise and then discover much later you've bought a 202 - and all the while after you've agreed the price and handed the money over. Some people really are very lucky, aren't they? Fortune certainly shines on the stupid and bent.

Did anyone else split their sides with laughter at the response on his listing to the question of the horn? Whilst a photo showing the top was added he stated that he didn't want to remove the grille to photo the front of the horn. Fair enough. But why not simply remove the two screws holding the removable back board of the cabinet to reveal the back of the horn? Is this not obvious or was the seller so hell-bent on trying to baffle his captive audience, that he began to actually believe that he REALLY didn't know what a 202 was and how to access the horn?

Well the original vendors must be busy kicking each other around the living room by now. Another family heirloom bites the dust. They clearly didn't get anything close to £6000 for it even though they apparently "knew exactly what it was worth" !!!! Were they quoted a 1979 sale price?

I agree with Soundgen's argument that they ought to get compensated and yet you just know that real life doesn't work like that. The burden of proof lies with them to demonstrate that the buyer knew more than he let on. Attempting to prove beyond any reasonable doubt that someone KNOWS something and has the specific knowledge would be futile.

I also believe the vendors were foolish and naïve to end the listing so early on. They don't deserve any better really. If they really knew the value (and who else wouldn't use Google these days to attempt to do the research beforehand?), they should have held out for the auction to finish and maybe then re-list it if it didn't meet their modest reserve. Believing a complete stranger when he makes an offer before most people would have even seen the auction listing also takes some suspension of disbelief.

Going back to the machine and forgetting the two sellers for a moment, there were two areas of veneer loss to the lid and some loss of finish and a pot mark. We will never know if the motor worked without a strip and rebuild. The 5A soundbox had a split bezel, nothing too serious, but enough to dent the value of the soundbox markedly

So a very good 202 overall at a fair price. Shame about the seller!

soundgen wrote:Original vendor replies !

It appears he's a dodgy character but we were happy with the amount he paid us.

He did tell us lies though but I guess that's life....


- hippy-chicklet

I just wonder how happy this guys feels now when he sees what price it sold for.
In saying that if he had of stuck to the rules and let the auction run he would have done extremely well.
I do wonder what price he sold it for.

I am also interested in knowing how you break the winding handle?? as I have never seen a broken one.

I am also interested in knowing how you break the winding handle?? as I have never seen a broken one.

They tried to lift the machine with it......seriously!

The owner claims that "money is not everything" and yet they are clearly frustrated that no other people offered them "a fair price" before they sold it to Yates. Initially they claimed otherwise ie. they DIDN'T sell it to him. However none of this stacks up really: if you truly want a fair market price it is a good idea to a) wait until the auction is finished or b) wait until you have received multiple offers from interested parties.

No one believes selling an item in the first few hours is a good idea unless you genuinely don't care about the price.

I don't very often call anyone stupid but I'm sorry, in this instance, the sellers were stupid.