I believe you are correct, the transitional machines were nearly identical.fran604g wrote:From all that I've read and what others have stated, including George P., the C-250 and C-19 cabinets for a very short period of time both share drawers, so, they could be identical in all characteristics, except for data plates and bedplate pinstriping, I believe.
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I've read that too Fran, and it does not surprise me. Edison was not one to let leftover parts from prior models go to waste.fran604g wrote:From all that I've read and what others have stated, including George P., the C-250 and C-19 cabinets for a very short period of time both share drawers, so, they could be identical in all characteristics, except for data plates and bedplate pinstriping, I believe.
Fran
Alex, here is my oak C-19. It is indeed a whopper! I am 5'11" and when I stand next to it and rest my arm on it, the arm is level. They are very sturdy machines and sound really good. Mine came with an optional Edisonic reproducer. I have mixed emotions about that. It does produce a lot of volume, but to my ear the sound is a bit shrill in comparison to the reproducer that was standard on these machines.
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I have to admit, Clay, after seeing the oak cabinets, I really think I need one.FloridaClay wrote:I've read that too Fran, and it does not surprise me. Edison was not one to let leftover parts from prior models go to waste.fran604g wrote:From all that I've read and what others have stated, including George P., the C-250 and C-19 cabinets for a very short period of time both share drawers, so, they could be identical in all characteristics, except for data plates and bedplate pinstriping, I believe.
Fran
Alex, here is my oak C-19. It is indeed a whopper! I am 5'11" and when I stand next to it and rest my arm on it, the arm is level. They are very sturdy machines and sound really good. Mine came with an optional Edisonic reproducer. I have mixed emotions about that. It does produce a lot of volume, but to my ear the sound is a bit shrill in comparison to the reproducer that was standard on these machines.
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The lighter color tone is sooo nice!
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I like both the mahogany and the oak, but the tiger oak grain really does pop. Even though I have some much less common machines too, the C-19 probably brings more "oh, WOW" exclamations from visitors who aren't collectors than anything else I have. Vivid graining and the size of the beast make it hard to ignore.
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Clay,FloridaClay wrote:I've read that too Fran, and it does not surprise me. Edison was not one to let leftover parts from prior models go to waste.fran604g wrote:From all that I've read and what others have stated, including George P., the C-250 and C-19 cabinets for a very short period of time both share drawers, so, they could be identical in all characteristics, except for data plates and bedplate pinstriping, I believe.
Fran
Alex, here is my oak C-19. It is indeed a whopper! I am 5'11" and when I stand next to it and rest my arm on it, the arm is level. They are very sturdy machines and sound really good. Mine came with an optional Edisonic reproducer. I have mixed emotions about that. It does produce a lot of volume, but to my ear the sound is a bit shrill in comparison to the reproducer that was standard on these machines.
Clay
That machine is beautiful !
Do you know if the grille- cloth is original ? I have a C-19 Mahogany that has a similar, gold cloth, which I believe is original.
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My C19 with original but tattered grill cloth.
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C-250s are cool; one of Edison's most distinctive machines.
I owned a really nice one from 2006 until 2011; here's a You Tube video of mine from 2010:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7o6xZy5a4GY
I bought it from an antique store in Indianapolis, Indiana. It was a very, very late C-250, with the wooden dividers (which came to an end in 1919 with the switch to the C-19 designation); had the Duncan stop and even the old battery knocking around behind the horn. It was loaded with records from 1919 and just before; the first owner had obviously stocked it well at time of purchase--and then failed to update his collection.
I let it go for a couple reasons. 1) The C-250 is such a big machine that it can really stick out in a room if your space isn't ample. 2) It was one of my first phonographs (but not a family heirloom), so you know how that goes: after awhile you're curious to try something different. Now my Edison DD machine (the FINAL one!) is a Schubert Edisonic. I keep my phonos down to a handful and then lavish upgrades and repairs on the ones I do have.
I sold the C-250 to Ron Haring of Plano, Illinois in mid-2011; he might still have it.
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I owned a really nice one from 2006 until 2011; here's a You Tube video of mine from 2010:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7o6xZy5a4GY
I bought it from an antique store in Indianapolis, Indiana. It was a very, very late C-250, with the wooden dividers (which came to an end in 1919 with the switch to the C-19 designation); had the Duncan stop and even the old battery knocking around behind the horn. It was loaded with records from 1919 and just before; the first owner had obviously stocked it well at time of purchase--and then failed to update his collection.
I let it go for a couple reasons. 1) The C-250 is such a big machine that it can really stick out in a room if your space isn't ample. 2) It was one of my first phonographs (but not a family heirloom), so you know how that goes: after awhile you're curious to try something different. Now my Edison DD machine (the FINAL one!) is a Schubert Edisonic. I keep my phonos down to a handful and then lavish upgrades and repairs on the ones I do have.
I sold the C-250 to Ron Haring of Plano, Illinois in mid-2011; he might still have it.
Ralph
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Another subtle difference is the design progression of the 'Official Laboratory Model' medallions affixed to the cabinet in the turntable compartment. The earliest were pentagonal with a circular center and state: 'The $250 Disc Phonograph is the Official laboratory Model', but the verbiage and shape changed over time. It would be interesting to nail down the dates of these changes and corresponding s/n's.
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Ralph,pughphonos wrote:
I owned a really nice one from 2006 until 2011; It was a very, very late C-250, with the wooden dividers (which came to an end in 1919 with the switch to the C-19 designation);
That's very interesting. I've seen C-19s with either drawers (earlier) or slats (later), but I've never seen a C-250 with anything but drawers. Considering the number of cabinet suppliers building the Chippendale cabinets for Edison, I suppose anything is possible. I'd love to know the serial number if you have it on file.
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George, I wasn't being very clear with my record storage description. Mine had the pull-out drawers with a complete set of thin dividers that you could use to section off your records within each drawer. She was C-250 serial number 33500--a standard C-250, but late.phonogfp wrote:Ralph,pughphonos wrote:
I owned a really nice one from 2006 until 2011; It was a very, very late C-250, with the wooden dividers (which came to an end in 1919 with the switch to the C-19 designation);
That's very interesting. I've seen C-19s with either drawers (earlier) or slats (later), but I've never seen a C-250 with anything but drawers. Considering the number of cabinet suppliers building the Chippendale cabinets for Edison, I suppose anything is possible. I'd love to know the serial number if you have it on file.
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