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Re: Just got at auction VV 50--a portovicto
Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2014 3:20 pm
by jboger
I couldn't resist giving it a try, and the turntable came off easy as pie. I've included a photo without the turntable. You can see the label that was under the turntable. Well, now I really must wait until I return. thanks for the advice.
Re: Just got at auction VV 50--a portovicto
Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2014 3:27 pm
by jboger
Curt: You should market that item. It's brilliant.
Re: Just got at auction VV 50--a portovicto
Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2014 3:32 pm
by Curt A
jboger
I totally restored mine, out of necessity. However, I like to disassemble machines, clean all of the parts and restore the finish. Mine looked like it was painted brown, so I removed all of the hardware, including the name tag, cleaned all of the metal parts and removed most of the old finish. When the aged finish was removed, I could actually see woodgrain... I evened the finish with some red mahogany stain, then coated the entire case with clear lacquer - multiple coats - rubbed down with 0000 steel wool between coats, until it looked like I wanted it. If you saw it in person, you wouldn't think it was refinished, just cleaned up.
I had to do this because on the left top of the cabinet (lower portion) a ½" strip of mahogany was missing and that included the wood beading for the upper case to fit in. After remaking the piece out of an old mahogany cabinet leg, I stripped the finish and smeared it over the newly attached piece to blend it in. Then the stain touch up and lacquer...
Re: Just got at auction VV 50--a portovicto
Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2014 5:44 pm
by alang
jboger wrote:Curt, looks like a very nice machine. And it makes me think twice about refinishing the exterior of mine, which is rather dark and alligatored.
I have a couple of technical questions. I won't be able to get around to putting a mainspring in for a couple of weeks. But for the meantime, my problem is how to take the turntable off. Not sure whether it is stuck--a problem I can handle--or whether the turntable is fastened to the spindle in some other way. I see a slot, like for a screwdriver, in the spindle (is that the right word?). Am I supposed to unscrew something in order to remove the turntable? My other Victor models don't have this slot, but then they're not portable models. Maybe the VV-50 was designed so that the turntable somehow screwed on so it wouldn't come off in transport? if that's correct, which way do I turn the screwdriver to remove the turntable? I did try light force already, but I don't want to apply anymore force until I'm clear how to proceed. I hope one of the experts out there can shed some light on my problem.
In any case, the horn is attached to the motorboard with three screws. Two are visible in the back and easy to get at. The third is under the turntable. I want to remove the horn before I tackle the motor. I see everything there, including the governor and it's weights, and I think I feel the broken mainspring slipping when I turn the crank. I think the mainspring may be broken close to one end. If I'm lucky, all I may need to do is make a new hole and reattach the mainspring to the barrel. But I won't know that until I see the mainspring, and I won't see the mainspring until I remove the motor, and I won't remove the motor until I take the horn off--all of which requires getting that darn turntable off. (For want of the nail, the shoe was lost . . .)
I'm new to the forum. I hope I'm not a pest by asking all these questions from people who learned things the hard way. Knowledge is hard earned and comes with a price. I know.
I just serviced a VV-50 for the Winterthur museum in Delaware today, so things are fresh in my memory.

The spring on this did not have holes, but was bent at both ends like a hook. If only the end broke off that should be easy to re-create. You will be surprised, these small machines out out quite a volume.
Good luck with your repair.
Andreas
Re: Just got at auction VV 50--a portovicto
Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2014 7:42 pm
by Curt A
If the end is hooked, you may be able to re-make it by heating the end red hot to remove the temper, then bend it to the correct shape, as a mainspring will not bend when tempered. When finished, reheat it to red hot and plunge it into a cup of oil to restore the temper.