CORRECT HORN AND CRANE

[ambrola]

The problem is,
1.Is it a soldered horn?
2.Is it rolled end or flat end?
3.Is it seamless?

I just don't know. Would like to put it period correct.

[ChuckA]

A Concert with a floor crane could take a multitude of horn options. Jerry

Jerry


You are correct, but I'm partial to big brass horns on early machines.


Chuck

[phonogfp]

Your Concert was sold in October 1900, and was originally equipped with a 24 inch all-brass horn and a floor stand known as the "Halliday" after its inventor.

The horn was conventional, having separate bell and body sections. I'm not sure if the seam had a bead or not - - both types may have been provided at different times. The small end will have a brass tube soldered in place and attached to the reproducer with a rubber tube and a 45-degree adapter.

The floor stand is illustrated in the Fall 1901 Edison catalog, which I have attached below (click on the image twice to blow it up). These stands show up regularly, and have a distinctive top section that collapses for easy shipping. If you need one, I can provide a photo of an actual example.

Hope this helps - -

George P.

[phonogfp]

Tony:

I have seen Concerts that were "upgraded" to use a cygnet horn, but it's doubtful (never say never) it was a factory option, dealer maybe, owner probably.


Chuck

You're absolutely right. The Concert was no longer advertised after 1907. The Cygnet horn wasn't introduced until late 1909. I think in this case we're safe in saying that Concerts never came from the factory with a Cygnet horn. Of course, dealers could do whatever their customer wanted...

A Cygnet horn on a Concert is such an unlikely possibility that I would not consider the combination legitimate unless there was solid documentation to prove the addition had been done during the period.

George P.

[gramophone78]

Amberola, I take it since you are now posting about this machine....you were able to receive it safe and sound from the seller..??. If so and given it's size.....way to go!!. I bet that's a load off.... . Congrats again.

[ambrola]

George has answered all my questions with a great picture. Do you have copies of the pamphlet?

[phonogfp]

George has answered all my questions with a great picture. Do you have copies of the pamphlet?

You're very welcome. Unfortunately, I have only the one copy of the catalog.

George P.

[ambrola]

Thanks guys.

[TinfoilPhono]

Edison Concerts and Columbia Graphophone Grands are absolutely wonderful machines. As Jerry says, they were state of the art (briefly, however!) and were very costly. They were meant to be used with large horns to complement the loud volume of the cylinders. I would wager that most buyers who ponied up the big bucks for the machine would pay for an accessory larger horn than 24".

But it's awfully hard to fit a huge horn into a normal house. I'm sure it must have been just as challenging back in the day.

The ads I've seen for the Graphophone Grand type GG show a whopping 56" horn. I have one but it's hanging from the ceiling in my garage because I just have no space to display it. What a pity -- when I did set it up the sound was stupefyingly loud and impressive.

I predict this will be a highlight of your collection for years to come! Nice find.

[ambrola]

Thanks to Curt again, I think these will be on it.