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I saved EVERYTHING but the wood, the horn, motor, speed adjuster, start/stop lever, the platter, the junk reproducer, the handle for transporting the thing, I had a tough time getting the hardware off the wood but I got it all and I saved the top so when rebuilding a case for it, I can have something to go off of and use as a guide for measurements types of joints, etc.

Victrolaboy wrote:It looks to me like you have the Heineman "Flyer" motor. It was the smallest motor Heineman made according to an old Heineman motor catalog I saw in an old tread posted on this forum: http://forum.talkingmachine.info/viewto ... =2&t=15500 I've rebuilt a Heineman "Flyer" motor in the past that came out of an old portable phonograph and they are not that hard to work on.
-Nick

I agree that this probably isn't a Heineman motor. I'd guess it's a Garford, but that's only a guess. These later motors are not my forte.

I would also agree that if the motor is all you have left, it would be unwise to put much money into it. Motors such as these are commonly available for a few dollars.

Finally, I would advise patience. Too often, a new person posts here asking advice, but lacks the patience to wait a few days to see what advice is offered. They run off (sometimes within an hour or two of posting) and go to work with no knowledge from which to act. Later, when the good advice arrives, it's too late. Haste makes waste.

George P.

gramophone78 wrote:

Victrolaboy wrote:It looks to me like you have the Heineman "Flyer" motor. It was the smallest motor Heineman made according to an old Heineman motor catalog I saw in an old tread posted on this forum: http://forum.talkingmachine.info/viewto ... =2&t=15500 I've rebuilt a Heineman "Flyer" motor in the past that came out of an old portable phonograph and they are not that hard to work on.
-Nick

It is not a Heineman motor.

Your right it's probably not a Heineman motor. Sorry for the mistake.

phonogfp wrote:

Victrolaboy wrote:It looks to me like you have the Heineman "Flyer" motor. It was the smallest motor Heineman made according to an old Heineman motor catalog I saw in an old tread posted on this forum: http://forum.talkingmachine.info/viewto ... =2&t=15500 I've rebuilt a Heineman "Flyer" motor in the past that came out of an old portable phonograph and they are not that hard to work on.
-Nick

I agree that this probably isn't a Heineman motor. I'd guess it's a Garford, but that's only a guess. These later motors are not my forte.

I would also agree that if the motor is all you have left, it would be unwise to put much money into it. Motors such as these are commonly available for a few dollars.

Finally, I would advise patience. Too often, a new person posts here asking advice, but lacks the patience to wait a few days to see what advice is offered. They run off (sometimes within an hour or two of posting) and go to work with no knowledge from which to act. Later, when the good advice arrives, it's too late. Haste makes waste.

George P.

I too was going to "assume" Garford. However, like George, much later made to my forte. So, you discarded the case (less hardware) and the inner part (record holder) of the lid but, you retained the lid.
Considering a complete, working portable in decent condition from this late era can still be found for very little money.....unless a "project" your just doing for fun......I would be very cautious spending any further money.

First of all, I agree with those above, who stated that the entire assembly should be replaced.

If the gear is just pressed on, and you manage to obtain a new one, an arbor press it the correct tool to use.

I have had one of these for about 20 years now:

http://www.harborfreight.com/1-ton-arbo ... -3552.html

You can use sockets (from a socket wrench set) to support things like wheels and gears while pressing them off of the shaft. You can generate a lot of force with an arbor press, so you need to be careful.

I initially purchased mine to press on pre-war, toy train wheels, but have used it for everything from automotive use to model helicopter use.

phonogfp wrote:

Victrolaboy wrote:It looks to me like you have the Heineman "Flyer" motor. It was the smallest motor Heineman made according to an old Heineman motor catalog I saw in an old tread posted on this forum: http://forum.talkingmachine.info/viewto ... =2&t=15500 I've rebuilt a Heineman "Flyer" motor in the past that came out of an old portable phonograph and they are not that hard to work on.
-Nick

I agree that this probably isn't a Heineman motor. I'd guess it's a Garford, but that's only a guess. These later motors are not my forte.

I would also agree that if the motor is all you have left, it would be unwise to put much money into it. Motors such as these are commonly available for a few dollars.

Finally, I would advise patience. Too often, a new person posts here asking advice, but lacks the patience to wait a few days to see what advice is offered. They run off (sometimes within an hour or two of posting) and go to work with no knowledge from which to act. Later, when the good advice arrives, it's too late. Haste makes waste.

George P.

Well it's sort of a Heinnemann, sort of a Garford. it is a General Industries Flyer, the successor to the Henineman Flyer, made in the former Garford plant in Elyria OH.

I should have a complete motor for you, unless it went with the last slot of stuff that I sold to George. I can check after I return home on the 4th, if you like.

Is there a database or something where I can type in the numbers and get a brandname?

phonoman1998 wrote:Is there a database or something where I can type in the numbers and get a brandname?

You've been watching too many CSI programs. There is no database that I'm aware of. Looks like you're making some good headway here, finding out about the motor, and possibly finding the part.

If you do end up needing to remove the fiber gear from the shaft, you'll find that just pressing it off won't work very well. The 4 small indentations on the governor shaft are in fact four places where metal has been squashed down to retain the washer that sits against the side of the fiber gear. If you use a small Dremel grinder and remove the burrs created when the indentations were made, you'll find that the washer, and gear behind it, will push off the spindle shaft fairly easily. Not removing those 4 burrs will cause unneeded damage if you try pressing the gear off.

I found someone who knows about machinery, the main and most important thing I want to find out is the brand and maker of my phonograph. I have tried searching and searching and searching but am getting no where with the internet! The only details I know are that it was made in DETROIT, MICHIGAN, USA. I think I found out what the M.I.G. symbol might be---is it General Motors Incorporated? The ID numbers are: "7671" and "8S"

phonoman1998 wrote:I found someone who knows about machinery, the main and most important thing I want to find out is the brand and maker of my phonograph. I have tried searching and searching and searching but am getting no where with the internet! The only details I know are that it was made in DETROIT, MICHIGAN, USA. I think I found out what the M.I.G. symbol might be---is it General Motors Incorporated? The ID numbers are: "7671" and "8S"

I don't think General Motors ever made phonograph motors, and they never used "Incorporated" in their name as far as I'm aware.