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XCaptBill wrote:Jerry,

The machine did not have that Tag on it. The pictures I've seen with the ICS tag appear to show the tag is screwed to the front. I don't know about the extra button. The absence of the Tag and screw holes may indicate it's not an ICS.

Bill

Is this what we are talking about...
http://www.collectorsworldwest.com/lookup.php?id=263

James.

Roaring20s wrote:

XCaptBill wrote:Jerry,

The machine did not have that Tag on it. The pictures I've seen with the ICS tag appear to show the tag is screwed to the front. I don't know about the extra button. The absence of the Tag and screw holes may indicate it's not an ICS.

Bill

Is this what we are talking about...
http://www.collectorsworldwest.com/lookup.php?id=263

James.

That is a nice machine. I got my first cylinder machine, a Home B outfit from them.

The machine I'm looking at does not have the ICS tag but the crank shaft is the same as the one in this link and would require the Slotted crank.

The threaded winding arbor on the later Edisons I think is threaded for ¼" x 20 threads-per-inch, (or 5/16" - 18 TPI), so a 9/32" or 5/16" ( ⅜" if shaft is 5/16" ) deep-well socket should slide-over the arbor, and I would think that a slot ⅛" wide and ¼" deep should be sufficient to engage the pin on the arbor.


Hopefully someone here with a slotted crank can measure the business-end, and give you a useful dimension, as well as the inside diameter of the ferule-ring in the side of the cabinet.

If the Outside diameter of the socket is too large to go through the ferule, you can raise the motor-board, lay the machine on its back, and wind it "open".

XCaptBill wrote:Jerry,

The machine did not have that Tag on it. The pictures I've seen with the ICS tag appear to show the tag is screwed to the front. I don't know about the extra button. The absence of the Tag and screw holes may indicate it's not an ICS.

Bill

Well, on the example I have, the tag is tacked on rather than screwed....

Also, check the height of the case, and whether the motor has the spring suspension: the Model B cases were taller, to include that feature.

Bill

I've never seen any (normal model...not ICS) Edison Standard model B with a slip-on slotted crank. All of them, including the early banner type model B's were equipped with the spring suspended motor and threaded crank. This, of course, presumes that no motor or part swapping (ex: an earlier slip-on slotted crank Standard model A motor fitted into a model B cabinet) has occurred. So, it sounds like you have a banner model A Edison Standard here in question.

What I would do if you are concerned about the motor working is this: Prop up the motorboard to expose the motor and lock it in place. With access to the motor winding shaft completely exposed and the on/off lever moved to the RIGHT (off position) use some common pliers or whatever you feel is appropriate to turn that winding shaft (assuming you have no slotted crank) and try turning the shaft just a few turns. You should feel some resistance pretty quickly after just a few turns. If the shaft spins freely then you have a problem somewhere (usually a broken/slipping spring or broken/worn gear in the drivetrain). If, however, you feel some good resistance then chances are better than not that the motor is fine. Move the on/off lever to the LEFT (on position) now and notice whether the governor and drivetrain move.

Obviously, a spare slotted Edison Standard/Home crank would be ideal for your test but, anyway, you get the idea. Good luck!

Doug

Thanks for all the input.

I should be able to fashion a makeshift winder to test the motor. The machine in question is probably an A. I can confirm when I see it again. The tag fasteners in the pictures I saw could very well be tacks and not screws. Either way I would expect to see small holes if the tag was previously affixed.

Bill

With respect to tags tacked to cases, I have an ICS Standard, which has the little white celluloid tag attached to the cabinet front with round-head escutcheon pins.


There were also brass dealer-tags, similarly attached.

A few comments up, I mentioned that I had purchased an Edison "Home" B outfit from Collectors' World West.

It bears a brass dealer's tag just above the bottom moulding. The dealer was in Compton, California (neighborhood of Oakland?).


Let us know what you find, X Capt. Bill.

De Soto Frank wrote:The dealer was in Compton, California (neighborhood of Oakland?).

Compton is Southwest of downtown Los Angeles.

Martin

Martin,

I'll check the machine tonight when I get home... verify that it's Compton, and get the dealer's name...