An Unexpected Find Today

[Dave D]

Nice find. I am in the process of making those knurled adjusting "nuts" and the balls to upgrade reproduction cygnet horn hangers. They will be ready next week. I'll post pics and let you decide if it is something you would like.
Dave D

[gramophone78]

Nice find. I am in the process of making those knurled adjusting "nuts" and the balls to upgrade reproduction cygnet horn hangers. They will be ready next week. I'll post pics and let you decide if it is something you would like.
Dave D

Dave, thank you so much for your kind offer. I just bought all the parts from Ron today. The spring was only $22.50.

[Dave D]

Nice find. I am in the process of making those knurled adjusting "nuts" and the balls to upgrade reproduction cygnet horn hangers. They will be ready next week. I'll post pics and let you decide if it is something you would like.
Dave D

Dave, thank you so much for your kind offer. I just bought all the parts from Ron today. The spring was only $22.50.

Hi,
I think Ron is a great guy and I buy parts from him, too. Please do correct me if I am wrong, but the last cygnet horn crane support rod, etc that I bought did not have a ball on the top of it and the adjustment nut is a hardware store item and does not look at all original. I am making the balls and nuts so those of us with repro sets can upgrade for a more original look.
Dave

[Bruce]

Great find Wayne. I am jealous that you scored a fantastic cylinder machine and cylinders find right here in Vancouver where these things do not show up that often.

By the sounds of things it would have disappeared to the Chinese market if you were 10 minutes later so I can not complain about you venturing outside of your normal Berliner/Victor lane as I would not have had a chance any ways.

Still Berliner records are flat and cylinders look like used toilet roles - just in case you forgot.

Congratulations

Bruce

[Lucius1958]

And you've got a 5000 series BA in there - The Bum Song!

Bill

So, does this mean that any cylinder in the 5000 range is worth keeping..??.There are three more in that series.

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Well, by the time the 5000 series came out, Edison's cylinder output was severely reduced - perhaps only a few hundred copies of each title being sold. "The Bum Song" was issued in 1928, probably an acoustic dub from an electric Diamond Disc. I tried to find a copy on YouTube, and even searched online - but got no results. It's pretty rare.

Bill

[gramophone78]

Well, by the time the 5000 series came out, Edison's cylinder output was severely reduced - perhaps only a few hundred copies of each title being sold. "The Bum Song" was issued in 1928, probably an acoustic dub from an electric Diamond Disc. I tried to find a copy on YouTube, and even searched online - but got no results. It's pretty rare.
Bill

Thank you Bill. I had no idea. I just thought the title was cute. A friend informs me it is electrically recorded and was very close to the end of BA production.

I too tried to find a copy on line to hear....with no luck... .

Once I drop the new spring in the Fireside, I will be able to hear it. At least it looks very clean in appearance.

[gsphonos]

I think you have Bum Song #1. Is it 5603 by Kirby? That is a late cylinder, but still dubbed from elecrically recorded diamond disc. I recently was able to purchase the Bum Song #2, which is, I think, 5653. According to the Sutton blue amberol book, this was the first electrically recorded blue amberol.....electrically "dubbed" from diamond disc. The first released was 5650, but the first done was this one. It is recorded by Vernon Dalhart, and I actually like the tune and talking! the electrically dubbed blue amberols (the few there are above 5650) are characterized by having no run in or run on noise--the music just starts right up! Some of those last 50 or so cylinders are still sometimes found to be accoustically dubbed due to overmodulation. I just love these late cylinders--really anything above 5600, because there are so few of them! And, there are actually some really great titles--just good luck finding them!!

Mike Sorter

[gramophone78]

I think you have Bum Song #1. Is it 5603 by Kirby? That is a late cylinder, but still dubbed from elecrically recorded diamond disc. I recently was able to purchase the Bum Song #2, which is, I think, 5653. According to the Sutton blue amberol book, this was the first electrically recorded blue amberol.....electrically "dubbed" from diamond disc. The first released was 5650, but the first done was this one. It is recorded by Vernon Dalhart, and I actually like the tune and talking! the electrically dubbed blue amberols (the few there are above 5650) are characterized by having no run in or run on noise--the music just starts right up! Some of those last 50 or so cylinders are still sometimes found to be accoustically dubbed due to overmodulation. I just love these late cylinders--really anything above 5600, because there are so few of them! And, there are actually some really great titles--just good luck finding them!!

Mike Sorter

Mike,
Thank you so much for the information. The record in question is #5605. I'm almost embarrassed being a longtime collector and yet my knowledge on cylinder related items is minimal at best... .

It has nothing to do with liking or disliking. In fact, it is more of a promise I made myself when I started to get into this field. Berliner and the odd Victor and related items is the line I drew.

Otherwise, there is no end and very soon no room.. .

I may just keep this Fireside to use as a player and hear some of these records. I'm really curious to hear the light brown and off white records.

Edited for correctness.

[outune]

Hi Wayne- Since this is your virgin venture into the cylinder world, I would offer a small piece of "wisdom" that has been passed on to me over the years from collectors far more knowledgeable than I. I know it's tempting to play those brown wax records with your model "K" on the two minute stylus, but it is best to play them on a well-rebuilt Model "B", an Automatic or a Columbia floating reproducer. The weight on the "K" is fairly heavy and puts unhealthy pressure on the softer wax records.

I'm sure others may chime in on this as well, but I would hate to see you ruin your small collection of, what looks to be, some decent brown wax recordings.

You found a great machine that is already looking great-- Congrats!

Brad Abell

[gramophone78]

Hi Wayne- Since this is your virgin venture into the cylinder world, I would offer a small piece of "wisdom" that has been passed on to me over the years from collectors far more knowledgeable than I. I know it's tempting to play those brown wax records with your model "K" on the two minute stylus, but it is best to play them on a well-rebuilt Model "B", an Automatic or a Columbia floating reproducer. The weight on the "K" is fairly heavy and puts unhealthy pressure on the softer wax records.

I'm sure others may chime in on this as well, but I would hate to see you ruin your small collection of, what looks to be, some decent brown wax recordings.

You found a great machine that is already looking great-- Congrats!

Brad Abell

Brad, thank you for the wisdom and information. A member on our forum and good friend "Bruce" has invited me over to try the wax records using his rebuilt Automatic on one of his machines.
So, maybe it's a good thing the spring is broken in this Fireside. It stopped my curiosity... . He and I will also change out the spring when it arrives.