An Unknown Victor Mache Horn

[phonolady]

Wow, fantastic restoration by Gregg and congratulations to you for snagging this rare horn.
It looks really good on your VI and has to be ONE OF THE RAREST EXAMPLES out there!

Are you coming to Union? My wife and I set up next to Jerry each year, any members please say hello.

All the best,
David & Lerria

[Zwebie]

Wayne,

That looks fantastic! Greg Cline did an awesome restoration!
Quite unique, I would agree that it's probably a very early horn.

Bob S.

[gramophone78]

Again, I am humbled by the wonderful comments and have sent Gregg a link to this thread. I'm certain he will enjoy reading all the comments directed to him. I for one appreciate them.

Although, this may be somewhat difficult to prove. I do find it interesting that some Victor catalog covers from 1906 show what appears to be a mache horn with red interior.
Of course I guess one could argue the horn shown is with a brass bell. It makes me wonder.

[Silvertone]

I believe that your horn was imported as "Allen's Paper Lacquered Horn". They were made in Japan, and available in all black, black and red like yours, and black with hand painted flowers (later). The earliest ad I've seen is 1905 (below), but I've seen ads from 1906-1907 too. These were the horns that Victor used on the original Victor VI, but most I think were all black. The red and black is especially striking.

[gramophone78]

I believe that your horn was imported as "Allen's Paper Lacquered Horn". They were made in Japan, and available in all black, black and red like yours, and black with hand painted flowers (later). The earliest ad I've seen is 1905 (below), but I've seen ads from 1906-1907 too. These were the horns that Victor used on the original Victor VI, but most I think were all black. The red and black is especially striking.

Silvertone, you are correct and thank you for the information.

William J. Schroth manufactured the Allen's Paper Lacquer Horn in Kobe Japan and made horns for many Phonograph companies as well as "aftermarket" horns that were solely distributed by Byron Mauzy of San Francisco.

Schroth had a contract with Johnson (Victor) to produce these paper mache horns for the introduction of the new Victor 6 late November 1904.

Evidence suggests Schroth used Japanese newspapers of the day as his main source of paper....as Gregg finds pieces of such newspaper with kanji (Japanese characters) present during restoration of these horns all the time (including mine).

Also, period trade ads mention supply of these horns being cut off briefly due to the Russo-Japanese war raging at the time. This supply stoppage is believed to be the reason Johnson started to use black & brass horns that had the main bodies refinished in a mahogany graining as a replacement Vic 6 horn and at some point offered the paper mache horn again.

[Valecnik]

I believe that your horn was imported as "Allen's Paper Lacquered Horn". They were made in Japan, and available in all black, black and red like yours, and black with hand painted flowers (later). The earliest ad I've seen is 1905 (below), but I've seen ads from 1906-1907 too. These were the horns that Victor used on the original Victor VI, but most I think were all black. The red and black is especially striking.

Silvertone, you are correct and thank you for the information.

William J. Schroth manufactured the Allen's Paper Lacquer Horn in Kobe Japan and made horns for many Phonograph companies as well as "aftermarket" horns that were solely distributed by Byron Mauzy of San Francisco.

Schroth had a contract with Johnson (Victor) to produce these paper mache horns for the introduction of the new Victor 6 late November 1904.


Evidence suggests Schroth used Japanese newspapers of the day as his main source of paper....as Gregg finds pieces of such newspaper with kanji (Japanese characters) present during restoration of these horns all the time (including mine).

Also, period trade ads mention supply of these horns being cut off briefly due the Russo-Japanese war raging at the time. This supply stoppage is believed to be the reason Johnson started to use black & brass horns that had the main bodies refinished in a mahogany gaining as a replacement Vic 6 horn and at some point offered the paper mache horn again.

Great horn Wayne. I too have seen these horns damaged with with Japanese script visible. I've got another metal horn with a paper tag stuck on it saying:

"This horn may be exchanges without charge for the Japanese horn with which the machine should be equipped but which is out of stock owing to the Japanese-Russian war."

Check out this thread for more on the topic. http://forum.talkingmachine.info/viewto ... t=japanese

[FloridaClay]

What a treasure to have, and a superb restoration. It is a pleasure to see it.

Clay

[gramophone78]

Great horn Wayne. I too have seen these horns damaged with with Japanese script visible. I've got another metal horn with a paper tag stuck on it saying:

"This horn may be exchanges without charge for the Japanese horn with which the machine should be equipped but which is out of stock owing to the Japanese-Russian war."

Check out this thread for more on the topic. http://forum.talkingmachine.info/viewto ... t=japanese

Bruce, Thank you so much for reminding me of the "other" short lived but offered replacement horn (large petal horn) for the Vic 6. Again, due to the above mentioned conflict.

I also noticed on your previous thread a paper mache horn with red interior. Since the VTM decal does not appear to be present, was this a Victor sold horn or an aftermarket version sold elsewhere..??.

I also notice what appears to be an additional brass collar added to this horn. Any idea why..?.

Perhaps, if not a Victor designated horn, the horn mentioned in Silvertone's ad (red & black)..??.

Just love the paper label pasted on the collar of your horn...... . Thank you again for adding this to the thread. I hope you don't mind me adding your pics from your previous thread.

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[Valecnik]

Wayne, I don't know too much about the provenance of the orange interior paper horn. The machine was offered to me for purchase several years ago but decided not to for some reason. The brass collar might be a later repair to shore up the end of the horn but I am not sure.

[gramophone78]

Just want to add that another Victor mache horn has been found with red interior. This horn is also on a very early Victor 6 and retains both the VTM and "Patent Applied For." decals.
Unfortunately, the paper label with price is mostly missing. So, we do not know if this machine had a $105 or $100 price...
What a great opportunity for a member coming for sale on June 27 by Fontaines Auction. The horn is in need of some restoration and the machine needs some help.....however, find another.... .

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