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I should add a couple pics of the distributor plate I was referring to for those who don't know.

There are at least two versions. These were added to all Victor machine cases that were imported and or sold within Canada and are normally found directly below the Victor data plate .

However, there are other telltale ways of determining if a Victor model was actually sold in Canada. The tone arms and horn elbows are made in two parts (if Canadian). A cast brass (elbow) and rolled sheet brass (body) were used.

Whereas, the US made tone arm and horn elbows are made of one piece rolled sheet brass.

This has been discussed in previous threads so, I won't go into too much detail on this thread.


The machine in question did not have any of these Canadian components.

All of these above and previously noted observations lead me to my comment regarding the horn being incorrect for this particular case.

I also have to agree, the horn is a real keeper. Perhaps, even more so to me being a Canadian collector.... . However, in determining the value of the machine in question.....I considered it a slight detriment... .

Ripduf1 wrote:Hi Cliff, What is the % Fee (commonly called Buyers Penalty) at this auction house? Also is there state sales tax that has to be added as well to the total and what is that %? Thanks! John

The auction house added 15% for commission and 10% tax was added after that.

gramophone78 wrote:The Vic. VI actually sold for $3500 plus 15% buyers and 9.5% sales tax.

The VI hammered at $3500, but the auctioneer mistook the phone bid persons signal to mean they had a bid at $3500, when actually, she raised her hand to signal STOP. When the auctioneer discovered the mistake, he ended up selling to the next highest bidder for $3250.

After the floor bidder bid $3250, the phone bidder person raised her hand and the auctioneer took that as a bid of $3500 and that ended the auction, but the phone bidder was actually trying to convey STOP with her raised hand. I got the impression the auctioneer had been in the business for a long time, but there were several instances during this auction where it looked very unprofessional.

CDBPDX wrote:

gramophone78 wrote:The Vic. VI actually sold for $3500 plus 15% buyers and 9.5% sales tax.

The VI hammered at $3500, but the auctioneer mistook the phone bid persons signal to mean they had a bid at $3500, when actually, she raised her hand to signal STOP. When the auctioneer discovered the mistake, he ended up selling to the next highest bidder for $3250.

After the floor bidder bid $3250, the phone bidder person raised her hand and the auctioneer took that as a bid of $3500 and that ended the auction, but the phone bidder was actually trying to convey STOP with her raised hand. I got the impression the auctioneer had been in the business for a long time, but there were several instances during this auction where it looked very unprofessional.

Seems like there is some confusion. Here is an email I received from the auction last night 10:30pm (the day after the sale). We hung up when my friend bowed out. So, the next day, I asked where it ended. You would think the house knows the next day what their lot had realized... . I mean, I hope so.

"The Victor VI sold for $3500. Thank you for bidding."

My friend I was bidding for was asked to go to $3750 and he declined.

However, it was up to him. I think it was a wise decision on his part.

gramophone78 wrote: Seems like there is some confusion. Here is an email I received from the auction last night 10:30pm (the day after the sale). We hung up when my friend bowed out. So, the next day, I asked where it ended. You would think the house knows the next day what their lot had realized... . I mean, I hope so.

Did I mention the auction seemed unprofessional at times? The bidder sitting next to me ended up buying it. Once the auctioneer thought he had a $3500 bid, he then was asking for $3750 but there were no takers and that ended the auction, so technically is was hammered down at $3500, but there was actually no $3500 bid. The floor bidder got up and paid for it and left. Cliff

I ended up buying a Columbia upright full of records. There were several neat records, including 2 SYMPHONOLA labels WITH SLEEVES! Never seen the sleeves before, and each one had a very different sleeve, one offering SYMPHONOLA records for sale in the 4100 range, the other one in the 4200-4400 range. That was pretty neat!

What were prices of some of the other phono items? Jerry

There was a carrying case with cylinders that went for 150 plus buyer's premium and sales tax. Otherwise, Cliff covered the items sold, but I think the Model E went for $500. Another collector was bidding and did not want to bid against him.

gramophone78 wrote:
However, there are other telltale ways of determining if a Victor model was actually sold in Canada. The tone arms and horn elbows are made in two parts (if Canadian). A cast brass (elbow) and rolled sheet brass (body) were used.

I had a 2 piece Canadian elbow in the past. I wish I had it back today. I've only ever seen the one I had. Does anyone know if a Victor VI/6 sold in Canada would come with a 2 piece gold elbow?

Mike

In the third photo, I think I see a Columbia "Favorite", first generation, with the Victor-type horn-doors...