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Here they are again - I just thought they didn´t add much! So the horn then is repro and I´d have to get a proper crank...

Snal

To the contrary, those additional closeup photos show a lot. According to Martin Kauper's research, the 4-clip Standard was phased out in the late 42,000 serial numbers. This one (No.41009) left the factory about October 1901, and the New Style cabinets were introduced the following month. This is among the last of the 4-clip Standards.

And take a look at the serial number of that Model C Reproducer!

Note too that the old dull nickel mandrel has been supplanted by the bright nickel.

All in all, I think it's an interesting transitional machine - - and in pretty nice condition too.

George P.

snallast wrote:Here they are again - I just thought they didn´t add much! So the horn then is repro and I´d have to get a proper crank...

Snal

Thank you.

Fran

phonogfp wrote:To the contrary, those additional closeup photos show a lot. According to Martin Kauper's research, the 4-clip Standard was phased out in the late 42,000 serial numbers. This one (No.41009) left the factory about October 1901, and the New Style cabinets were introduced the following month. This is among the last of the 4-clip Standards.

And take a look at the serial number of that Model C Reproducer!

Note too that the old dull nickel mandrel has been supplanted by the bright nickel.

All in all, I think it's an interesting transitional machine - - and in pretty nice condition too.

George P.

I was thinking about that beautiful mandrel and wondering about that.

Fran

Interesting machine! George - thanks for the info! I'm not much of a gambler, but I'll bet that the reproducer is a model B. I'd also bet that the left side of the mandrel has the seldom seen groove. Snallast, are there any more shots of the left side of the machine or the back of the reproducer? Any other data you could furnish would be useful.

Regards,

Martin

Martin - of course you're correct about the Model B. When I was typing this morning, I meant to check the weight to see if it was marked, but I forgot.

This machine predates the Edison moulded cylinders, so naturally it would have a B (which Steve Medved pointed out in The Antique Phonograph was simply an improved "Automatic").

This is the value of taking weeks and weeks to write articles. There's time to catch mistakes and delve further into the topic at hand. You should see the various early drafts of my articles!

George P.

Martin and George,

I was under the impression that the Automatic was replaced by the armed C, through the Edison trade-in program. I'm obviously wrong?

Fran

I´m sorry I can´t get any more pictures just now - it will have to be if I buy the machine when I see it, thanks for all the very insightful info! It really adds a lot to this machine to know more! Then you all agree the horn is a repro?

fran604g wrote:Martin and George,

I was under the impression that the Automatic was replaced by the armed C, through the Edison trade-in program. I'm obviously wrong?

Fran

No, you're right. But the Model C is equipped with a "doorknob" stylus for the moulded records. The Model B retained the ball stylus of the Automatic, and thus was kinder to brown wax. Steve Medved believes that the Model B supplanted the Automatic for this application, which makes perfect sense. The Model C, however, along with moulded records, made both the Automatic and the Model B obsolescent.

The trade-in program was probably meant to encourage the sale of moulded records more than anything else. An Automatic and a loud mounded record is often a recipe for blasting.

George P.

Thank you, George, for the clarification. That makes complete sense.

Fran