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Re: G & T machine
Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2015 5:54 pm
by tinovanderzwan
Odeon wrote:The brake looks much more like those used by the Linström Company (Germany), also for export.
thats indeed a lindstrom brake the early ones are lower and flater this is the later version as found on most german off-brand gramophones of the early 1910s to late 20s
tino
Re: G & T machine
Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2015 6:12 pm
by budsta
To add to the comments already. The horn & elbow looks modified from a cylinder machine. The speed control is correct. The early ones are on the side of the cabinet. From memory there is also no crank escutcheon. I have the same early machine and I'm pretty sure mine doesn't. I will check when I get home. The motor board is not hinged and you access the motor from underneath. There will be a serial number stamped underneath. Soundbox should be " gramophone & typewriter". I haven't seen many with the side speed control. Mine has a black and brass witch hat horn. In Australia these can be referred to as the " baby monarch" and I think I have a record sleeve stating this. I Will look for it. A great little machine. One of my favourites.
Stephen
Re: G & T machine
Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2015 6:13 am
by budsta
Hello all
Please find a picture of a period record sleeve with a "baby" Monarch pictured. It has a dealer stamp from Adelaide , South Australia. I don't know if the sleeve was printed here or came overseas with a shipment of records.
Also a couple pictures of my machine showing the side speed control and escutcheon less side crank. Someone in there wisdom removed the plating from the tone arm and elbow at some point. This machine is as I got it and I bought this in c1995.
cheers
Re: G & T machine
Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2016 9:59 am
by vansteem78
So it seems if I find parts for a Victor I then they would work on this machine? Is that correct? Yes there are two holes for a brake on the front right. So now I saved the photo of that brake so can send it out to someone like George in Michigan and also ask if he has elbow, horn, escutcheon, crank and brake for a Victor I? Does that sound right?
Re: G & T machine
Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2016 4:22 pm
by budsta
Yes. From my understanding parts would be the same. Crank and brake may be more difficult but would think horn and elbow a bit easier. If decal says "gramophone & typewriter" so should the soundbox. This looks the next version which says " gramophone company". Good luck
Re: G & T machine
Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2016 11:43 pm
by Lucius1958
Steve wrote:epigramophone wrote:The machine is indeed a G&T Victor of about 1905.
The original horn would have been a "Witch's Hat" pattern in black enamelled steel with a brass bell, measuring 14x10 inches.
The original winding handle would have been of 3 piece construction with an offset web.
Yes, it's a Victor I or "New Victor" retailed by Gramophone & Typewriter in England from 1905 onwards. However the correct horn for this can also be an ALL-BRASS type 'Witch's Hat' horn. The elbow, horn, winder and brake at least are all incorrect replacements. The machine should also have an escutcheon.
I note also that the speed control is different to the standard machine. My own example has the vertical speed adjustment screw on top of the motor-board. This example shown here appears to have an earlier motor with the speed screw from a 'Trademark' style machine (first Junior Monarchs and New Style 4) mounted at the side. I've never seen another like this. The screw and escutcheon appear to have a different plating (or at least it looks to be aged differently) to the rest. Alarm bells are ringing.......
The speed control shown on this machine and the "Baby Monarch" appear to be similar to those used on the Victor P3 (introduced in 1906) and the Victor Junior (1909)...
Bill