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Re: Tall Tales of the Phono Hobby.
Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2016 11:46 pm
by Lucius1958
EarlH wrote:I bought an Edison home a long time ago from a dealer for $10 and when I was paying her and her husband for it, they told me it was "The damnedest sewing machine that they had ever seen" I didn't argue with them.
I have always thought that the Surrealists had an Edison Phonograph in mind when they concocted the phrase,
"the fortuitous conjunction of a sewing machine and an umbrella upon a dissecting table"....
Bill
Re: Tall Tales of the Phono Hobby.
Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2016 12:23 am
by Cody K
To the best of my memory, the following exchange occurred between us.....
"How much is the phonograph?"
"You meant that record player there?"
"No, dammit. The phonograph; I want a phonograph, not a record player."
"Well Sir, it's like new."
"I want an old one...how much?"
"Two hunnerd. And it's got scrolls with it."
"That's too bad, I was hoping it had some tubes to play."
"Well, whatever the hell it is it's two hunnerd bucks."
"I'll give you one fifty just to get rid of me."
"Huh??"
"Ok, you win, I'll split the difference with you."
(Animated chattering amongst themselves)
"Well, ok. Gimme 125 a take it away."
Uncle Josh,
is that you? 
Re: Tall Tales of the Phono Hobby.
Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2016 6:26 am
by Panatropia
Well, I did have an attitude, I suppose. So I wasn't precisely Mr. politeness. I just missed out on a 1925 Stutz 7 passenger Berline for six grand with crappy paint and a rod knock. Both no big deal. This was 1998.
Re: Tall Tales of the Phono Hobby.
Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2016 7:26 am
by Dave D
Panatropia wrote:Damned curious thing about antique autos and phonographs. One memory I treasure above rubies.....
Years ago I was down to Hershey. Selling antique auto parts. Perhaps buying a car or two; browsing the stalls.
I encounter a 4 clip suitcase Standard, being vended by the most "Deliverance" looking hillbillies I've ever encountered. Selling out of a rusty, dented old Divco milk truck.
To the best of my memory, the following exchange occurred between us.....
"How much is the phonograph?"
"You meant that record player there?"
"No, dammit. The phonograph; I want a phonograph, not a record player."
"Well Sir, it's like new."
"I want an old one...how much?"
"Two hunnerd. And it's got scrolls with it."
"That's too bad, I was hoping it had some tubes to play."
"Well, whatever the hell it is it's two hunnerd bucks."
"I'll give you one fifty just to get rid of me."
"Huh??"
"Ok, you win, I'll split the difference with you."
(Animated chattering amongst themselves)
"Well, ok. Gimme 125 a take it away."
Still have the machine.
That is the best thing I have read in a long time!
Re: Tall Tales of the Phono Hobby.
Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2016 8:42 am
by EarlH
outune wrote:Now THAT's funny, Earl... 'sewing machine'... Did they play "When the Red Red Robin Comes Bob Bob
Bobbin Along?"
I once had a dealer try to sell me a late Victrola suitcase portable. His very emphatic selling tactic-- "It's from 1845, one of the first ones that Edison ever made." When I pointed out a 1921 patent date on it, he said-- "Well that's what the guy I bought it from said."
Brad Abell
Those people were really nice. I got to know them better in the years the followed and I honestly don't know how they made money in antiques, but it was a different world 40 years ago. Also, MUCH harder to learn anything and using phonographs as an example, the old boys that did know, weren't talking much! The other thing is however, those people were old enough they should have remembered those things from their youth. They probably mostly sold pattern glass, furniture and RS Prussia. Some of those stories really are kind of funny now.
Re: Tall Tales of the Phono Hobby.
Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2016 8:58 am
by Panatropia
Flip side of the coin happened to a late friend of mine. He was ferreting about the attic of a house he had been called in response to his advertisement seeking phonographs. He finally located said phonograph, which was in reality an early Grover and Baker portable sewing machine, which is fundamentally different in appearance from any standard sewing machine. Super early and worth beaucoup bucks.
He shows it to the people, who remember the "phonograph" when their dad put it away before WW II.
The son says something to effect of how he used to crank it when he was a kid, which prompted it being put in the attic.
My friend Richie paid $100 bucks. Kept it ten years, then sold it for $12,000 Christie's South Kensington auction.
Just so you don't get the wrong idea about my late friend's ethics, he did mention that it looked like a sewing machine; weren't they certain it was not? Oh, no. It's a phonograph. We have it on good authority.......so who fooled who???
In fact, I found a pic of it.
Re: Tall Tales of the Phono Hobby.
Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2016 1:03 pm
by AllWoundUp
EarlH wrote:I bought an Edison home a long time ago from a dealer for $10 and when I was paying her and her husband for it, they told me it was "The damnedest sewing machine that they had ever seen" I didn't argue with them.
I don't want to needle you about that post but I have a stich in my side from laughing! This thread is sew fun!
Re: Tall Tales of the Phono Hobby.
Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2016 12:17 pm
by VintageTechnologies
After nearly 50 years of collecting phonographs, I have found that most antique shop dealers selling them know very little if anything about what they are selling. Helpful person that I am, I will often identify myself as a specialist collector and point out any gross deficiencies that might prevent a machine from operating at all. A working machine has better prospects of selling, doesn't it? Some people are very receptive to unsolicited advice, more often than not. Some are downright hostile. Old geezers are the worst - no punk "kid" knows more than they do. Women and younger men seem to have more humility.
I have lost count of the number times that some trusting shop owner has responded to my offer, "Loan me a screwdriver and an oil can and I'll have that playing in five minutes". I have often been rewarded with a few records from the cabinet.
Re: Tall Tales of the Phono Hobby.
Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2016 12:23 pm
by Panatropia
VintageTechnologies wrote:After nearly 50 years of collecting phonographs, I have found that most antique shop dealers selling them know very little if anything about what they are selling. Helpful person that I am, I will often identify myself as a specialist collector and point out any gross deficiencies that might prevent a machine from operating at all. A working machine has better prospects of selling, doesn't it? Some people are very receptive to unsolicited advice, more often than not. Some are downright hostile. Old geezers are the worst - no punk "kid" knows more than they do. Women and younger men seem to have more humility.
I have lost count of the number times that some trusting shop owner has responded to my offer, "Loan me a screwdriver and an oil can and I'll have that playing in five minutes". I have often been rewarded with a few records from the cabinet.
I used to helpfully volunteer my knowledge and advice. Rarely worked. I now see the wisdom of following my Grandfather's maxim, to wit; "Keep your eyes and ears open. But keep your goddam mouth shut!"
Re: Tall Tales of the Phono Hobby.
Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2016 4:01 pm
by tinovanderzwan
Panatropia wrote:VintageTechnologies wrote:After nearly 50 years of collecting phonographs, I have found that most antique shop dealers selling them know very little if anything about what they are selling. Helpful person that I am, I will often identify myself as a specialist collector and point out any gross deficiencies that might prevent a machine from operating at all. A working machine has better prospects of selling, doesn't it? Some people are very receptive to unsolicited advice, more often than not. Some are downright hostile. Old geezers are the worst - no punk "kid" knows more than they do. Women and younger men seem to have more humility.
I have lost count of the number times that some trusting shop owner has responded to my offer, "Loan me a screwdriver and an oil can and I'll have that playing in five minutes". I have often been rewarded with a few records from the cabinet.
I used to helpfully volunteer my knowledge and advice. Rarely worked. I now see the wisdom of following my Grandfather's maxim, to wit; "Keep your eyes and ears open. But keep your goddam mouth shut!"
that doesn't really count these days with ebay and craigslist i don't tell lies it never really got me anywhere i tell the story of the machine and give directions to check me out on my facebook and youtube
strange thing is i got quite a number of phono's for free this way even after telling them everything even value i guess they thought granny's phono would get a good home after seeing the photo's of my collection
it does apparently pay to tell the truth!
tino