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Absolutely gorgeous - great job restoring it. Did you also have the tone arm and reproducer re-plated?

Here's a pic of a 4047 with the Pathé logo, from portable-gramophone.com.

Bad_Photographer wrote:Absolutely gorgeous - great job restoring it. Did you also have the tone arm and reproducer re-plated?

No, everything is original, but the turntable had a tiny patch of rust, so I had it done before it got any worse.

Barry

Bad_Photographer wrote:Right - so "Pathé-Marconi" were licensed to use the Pathé trademark and logo, but otherwise, Pathé was dead for all intents and purposes. Ok - great answer, thanks! So Victor (or by this time, RCA Victor) had no issue with EMI using their parts and the Nipper logo mixed with Columbia (the competition) parts? Interesting, seeing as how Columbia as CBS and RCA as NBC were fierce radio competitors.

Curiously, if you've ever listened to the D-Day "all day" broadcasts from CBS and NBC, on that day, they shared a lot of info and commentary from one another's journalists and commentators.

The licenses and corporate developments in Europe were not the same as in the US. The Gramophone Company, and its successor EMI, had the rights to use the Nipper trademark in Europe, and kept agreements with US-Victor concerning artists and recordings. Victor never existed in Europe as a brand. Columbia is a more complicated case,as it went bust in the US in the 30´s (Columbia Graphophone Co) and then another company was formed in the 40´s, now called Columbia Broadcast. In Europe, Columbia was absorbed into EMI, which also swallowed other companies like the UK branch of the German Parlophone, which pressed some of the US Columbia records under that label Parlophone, but the Columbia label co-existed with Parlophone up to the 60s. A big confusing mess, European-style, but the fact is that since the 30´s most of the European record companies consolidated under a couple of big ones that controlled the rights to the popular labels, so when you talk Pathé, Columbia, His Master's Voice, Parlophone, disque Gramophone, Zonophone, etc all of these belonged to the same owner from the 30's onwards. You can find identical gramophones from that period with the Nipper (HMV) brand, the Columbia brand or the Pathé brand.